Unconfirmed rumor. It may be true, but it's never suggested in any official material, to my knowledge.On the other hand, Sidious is confirmed in a number of sources to be a master of every form with every weapon.
Hmm, sorry about the assumption. But are you sure it says he is a master with every weapon though?
Oh god, not another youtube junkie. This is blatantly false, Sidious employs one of the most intricate and efficient fighting styles in the mythos, and his movements have been described by master swordsmen as never carrying him a millimeter out of position.
Fair enough. I just joined this forum because I've watched a lot of the versus series on youtube, so I thought I'd hop on here and see other opinions. Because some of the youtuber opinions, even for me, are quite retarded. Like Jensaari believes Yoda is an overrated swordsman and that Darth Zannah could outspar him. Or that Plagueis was a Niman specialist and wasn't a good duelist, which I think he is.
I mean, as you said, Sidious is described as never carrying himself a millimeter out of position, yet he hadn't trained in over a decade. So I'm assuming that Yoda out dueled Sidious simply because Yoda had time to practice?
No evidence at all to suggest Vaapad has a channel time to begin with.
True. Youtube feelz 🙁
What you say about Dooku's is true (he elaborates on this in LoE,) but the latter claim is false. Mace has never been shown to have the upper hand against Dooku in combat, ever. [/B]
My bad, I haven't read many books/comics during the clone wars era.
Legends:
1. Luke Skywalker
2. Darth Sidious
3. Prime!Yoda
4. Knightfall!Vader
5. Valkorion
6. Darth Plagueis
7. Darth Krayt
8. Raynar Thul
9. Revan
10. Kyp Durron
11. Starkiller(s)
12. Darth Caedus / Exar Kun
13. Darth Caedus / Exar Kun
14. Gethzerion
15. Cade Skywalker
16. Tau
17. Soa / Adelade / Tassar
18. Jaina Solo Fel
19. Mace Windu
20. Darth Tyranus
21. Arcann
22. Darth Malgus
23. Ulic Qel-Droma
24. Jerec
25. Darth Wyyrlok III
Originally posted by Geistalt
Legends:
1. Luke Skywalker
2. Darth Sidious
3. Prime!Yoda
4. Knightfall!Vader
5. Valkorion
6. Darth Plagueis
7. Darth Krayt
8. Raynar Thul
9. Revan
10. Kyp Durron
11. Starkiller(s)
12. Darth Caedus / Exar Kun
13. Darth Caedus / Exar Kun
14. Gethzerion
15. Cade Skywalker
16. Tau
17. Soa / Adelade / Tassar
18. Jaina Solo Fel
19. Mace Windu
20. Darth Tyranus
21. Arcann
22. Darth Malgus
23. Ulic Qel-Droma
24. Jerec
25. Darth Wyyrlok III
I like that list. Plagueis is actually getting recognised 🙂)))) and Revan!
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Check my quotes in the prior page, Sam.
Ok cool, I didn't see your response there. So then how would you guys explain his duel with Yoda? Because in the novelisation I'm quite sure Yoda actually disarms Sidious. Apparently they're in that central pod, and due to the lack of room for Ataru's bladework, it was a downhill battle for Yoda. So out of desperation he disarms Sidious. I haven't read it myself though.
Originally posted by samappo
Hmm, sorry about the assumption. But are you sure it says he is a master with every weapon though?
If you look, Ant provided the relevant quote on the last page.
Fair enough. I just joined this forum because I've watched a lot of the versus series on youtube, so I thought I'd hop on here and see other opinions.
That's fair, just prepare to have all that cancer you've accumulated from there thoroughly stamped out.
I mean, as you said, Sidious is described as never carrying himself a millimeter out of position, yet he hadn't trained in over a decade. So I'm assuming that Yoda out dueled Sidious simply because Yoda had time to practice?
Well, the idea that Palpatine hadn't touched a lightsaber in the 10 years prior to RotS has been retconned several times over, but let's put that aside for now.
The short answer is, no. It's ridiculous, but even though Palpatine considered lightsabers obsolete, and had apparently (before TCW's revelations) spent a decade without practice, he's still the best duelist we've seen in the movies according to Gillard. You'll find differing opinions here, of course, but I don't think the RotS duel proves Yoda's a better duelist than Sidious at all--he just had the advantage in that particular instance, because Sidious didn't have room to maneuver on that small podium (he dropped his lightsaber because he nearly fell off the edge) whereas little Yoda did.
Originally posted by samappo
Ok cool, I didn't see your response there. So then how would you guys explain his duel with Yoda? Because in the novelisation I'm quite sure Yoda actually disarms Sidious. Apparently they're in that central pod, and due to the lack of room for Ataru's bladework, it was a downhill battle for Yoda. So out of desperation he disarms Sidious. I haven't read it myself though.
I'd say Yoda disarmed Sidious thanks to his environmental advantage. Yoda has free room to move around the exterior of the Senate pod whereas Palpatine is stuck immobile in the center. Further, any disadvantages Yoda has with height is rendered mute. Thus, Yoda can emphasize on the advantages of his superior agility and fighting style (the situation would be potentially disfavorable for a standard Ataru master, but given Yoda's height, it's a different situation) while negating most of his disadvantages, whereas Palpatine is primarily stuck twisting and turning without anywhere to go (and being pinned in a particular location certainly doesn't seem to be what Palpatine enjoys based on all his movement against Darth Maul and Savage Opress). Alternatively though, it can be explained with them being roughly equals and Yoda happened to win the day they fought (a coin-toss that landed on heads, essentially).
Originally posted by NewGuy01
The short answer is, no. It's ridiculous, but even though Palpatine considered lightsabers obsolete, and had apparently (before TCW's revelations) spent a decade without practice, he's still the best duelist we've seen in the movies according to Gillard. You'll find differing opinions here, of course, but I don't think the RotS duel proves Yoda's a better duelist than Sidious at all--he just had the advantage in that particular instance, because Sidious didn't have room to maneuver on that small podium (he dropped his lightsaber because he nearly fell off the edge) whereas little Yoda did.
Your always better at explaining things in less sentences than me. mmm
Originally posted by Geistalt
Legends:
1. Luke Skywalker
2. Darth Sidious
3. Prime!Yoda
4. Knightfall!Vader
5. Valkorion
6. Darth Plagueis
7. Darth Krayt
8. Raynar Thul
9. Revan
10. Kyp Durron
11. Starkiller(s)
12. Darth Caedus / Exar Kun
13. Darth Caedus / Exar Kun
14. Gethzerion
15. Cade Skywalker
16. Tau
17. Soa / Adelade / Tassar
18. Jaina Solo Fel
19. Mace Windu
20. Darth Tyranus
21. Arcann
22. Darth Malgus
23. Ulic Qel-Droma
24. Jerec
25. Darth Wyyrlok III
mmm
Where's suit Vader?
And no way is Jaina that high.
That's fair, just prepare to have all that cancer you've accumulated from there thoroughly stamped out.
I'm willing and eager to separate right from wrong regarding a lot of things.
The short answer is, no. It's ridiculous, but even though Palpatine considered lightsabers obsolete, and had apparently (before TCW's revelations) spent a decade without practice, he's still the best duelist we've seen in the movies according to Gillard. You'll find differing opinions here, of course, but I don't think the RotS duel proves Yoda's a better duelist than Sidious at all--he just had the advantage in that particular instance, because Sidious didn't have room to maneuver on that small podium (he dropped his lightsaber because he nearly fell off the edge) whereas little Yoda did.
Even if you consider TCW, Palpatine wasn't really practicing anyway. The main thing he did with his lightsabers was duel Maul and his brother. A couple of fights in between 10+ years of no practice whatsoever doesn't really affect anything, especially when that duel against Maul was him playing around basically.
Ant,
"Level nine, the highest level of lightsaber fighting, is occupied by a small number of capable sword masters, including Yoda and Darth Sidious. At so high a ranking, it comes down to individual fighting styles as well as the circumstances of the surroundings that make a difference."
Who said this? Gillard? I'm curious.
I'd say Yoda disarmed Sidious thanks to his environmental advantage. Yoda has free room to move around the exterior of the Senate pod whereas Palpatine is stuck immobile in the center. Further, any disadvantages Yoda has with height is rendered mute. Thus, Yoda can emphasize on the advantages of his superior agility and fighting style (the situation would be potentially disfavorable for a standard Ataru master, but given Yoda's height, it's a different situation) while negating most of his disadvantages, whereas Palpatine is primarily stuck twisting and turning without anywhere to go (and being pinned in a particular location certainly doesn't seem to be what Palpatine enjoys based on all his movement against Darth Maul and Savage Opress). Alternatively though, it can be explained with them being roughly equals and Yoda happened to win the day they fought (a coin-toss that landed on heads, essentially).
Thanks for explaining it. I'd prefer combing the explanations together though: they are roughly equals in lightsaber combat, and the coin toss that decided the fight was where they fought: the senate pod. It gave the advantage to Yoda, turning a 50/50 fight into Yoda's favor.
Which essentially means that on neutral ground, there'd be a 50/50 chance of either winning. But I don't think you can dismiss it that easily, since Gillard definitively states that Sidious is the greatest duelist seen in the movies.