Anakin VS Grievous (Legends Only) By Jensaarai1

Started by Rockydonovang3 pages

Anakin is factually more powerful, stronger and skilled than Windu and in legends is a yoda/sidious level fighter.

Also, I'm impressed by your ability to ignore context despite trying to lecture everyone here about it. Grevious and Windu fought evenly for a very short period of time. And the reason Windu opted to make use of the force vs Grevious was because he had to get to the chancellor, not because he wouldn't eventually be able to beat Grevious.

And Anakin's loss to kenobi was specifically because he was fighting kenobi. You're also ignoring that per the legends novelizations, when both kenobi and anakin were fighting on even ground, Anakin for all intensive purposes beat him, ragdoling him via tk and was about tp break his arms befor ekenobi unhindered himself via use of empty meditation.

And finallhy, using aotc anakin as an indication of what would happen with rots anakin is laughable.

edit: @chilledmonkey

This guy is a moron

You misspelled genius*

Mace > Anakin.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Anakin is factually more powerful, stronger and skilled than Windu and in legends is a yoda/sidious level fighter.

Also, I'm impressed by your ability to ignore context despite trying to lecture everyone here about it. Grevious and Windu fought evenly for a very short period of time. And the reason Windu opted to make use of the force vs Grevious was because he had to get to the chancellor, not because he wouldn't eventually be able to beat Grevious.

And Anakin's loss to kenobi was specifically because he was fighting kenobi. You're also ignoring that per the legends novelizations, when both kenobi and anakin were fighting on even ground, Anakin for all intensive purposes beat him, ragdoling him via tk and was about tp break his arms befor ekenobi unhindered himself via use of empty meditation.

And finallhy, using aotc anakin as an indication of what would happen with rots anakin is laughable.

edit: @chilledmonkey

^ pretty much this.

Mace > Anakin

Uhhh not sure about that one. Anakin and Mace are both 8's by default. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Mace also say that Skywalker was the most powerful jedi in the order as well?

Mace thinks every Tom, Dick and Mary is superior to him.

Anakin is pretty much bordering 9 and is factually the best fighter in the Order. When he's dark side amped he's Sidious level.

It wasn't total shit like Evan's video, but the arguments were fallacious.

I wrote a brief rebuttal to Jen in the comments, that I'll also share here:

It was a good effort, but some of your points make no sense. For example, you used Anakin's duels with Count Dooku and Kenobi as examples of Anakin's shortcomings - that he is vulnerable to counter-attacks - but failed to acknowledge that during his fight with Dooku he was three years from his prime; three years that marked a time of significant developement for Anakin, in all aspects of combat. Did he get his arm sliced off by Dooku on the Invisible Hand? No, he did not. Instead it was Dooku who was deprived of both of his hands by Anakin.

Similarly, in the Mustafar duel, Anakin and Kenobi were both in very specific positions when the latter defeated the former. It was entirely circumstantial, and in essence, a cheap-shot. Again, if Anakin was truly vulnerable to counters, then why didn't Obi-Wan manage to slice him to pieces during the actual duel? Probably because Anakin isn't vulnerable to counters, and Kenobi essentially conceded inferiority to him as a pure swordsman in the Revenge of the Sith junior novelization.

Lastly, you saying that (paraphrasing) "If Mace couldn't overpower Grievous, then Anakin can't either." is a fallacy. You do realize that the fight between Mace and Grievous was inconclusive and very short, do you? So that can't be used to conclude anything about Mace's supposed inability to overpower him. Second, you established no connection between Mace and Anakin, simply saying that if Mace can't do it, then Anakin can't either, basing it off of absolutely nothing other than your own word, and expecting the rest of us to follow your line of thought without extrapolating on it whatsoever.

Looking at their respective showings of strength, Anakin definitely comes out on top. Mace is roughly an equal of Dooku as a swordsman; this is stated in multiple sources and guidebooks, and as such, is an established fact. And as equals, they'd be relatively evenly matched in a lightsaber duel. The same cannot be said for Anakin and Dooku; the former was essentially dominating the latter, and broke his defence with just one strike, and literally bent his wrist on the second strike. I've seen nothing that would indicate Mace is stronger than Anakin, and their respective matches against Dooku definitely suggest the opposite. As for Grievous, Dooku was blocking his attacks one-handed, barely flinching, as can be seen from their sparring session in the microseries. This would suggest Grievous to be very much Anakin's inferior.

In my opinion, Anakin would overpower Grievous, or at least outfence him, just like he overpowered and outfenced Count Dooku, and would have outfenced Kenobi had the fight continued to be fought on even ground.

Also, the bit about Anakin not having demonstrated any energy-based powers is wrong: He used Tutaminis to deflect a theta storm in Clone Wars Gambit - Siege.

Originally posted by Geistalt
Where does Mace stand per Gillard?

High 8 bordering on 9.

Originally posted by Kurk
Dooku retreating up the stairs is a tactical advantage. "I have the high ground!"

And he needed that tactical advantage for a reason.

Originally posted by Azronger
I wrote a brief rebuttal to Jen in the comments, that I'll also share here:

Lol Jen got massacred. He never replies to criticism though, so you'll never get an answer.

Still this is the guy that said Suit Vader > Yoda and Darth Zannah > Yoda

Originally posted by MythLord
Mace thinks every Tom, Dick and Mary is superior to him.

he never actually said he couldn't beat grevious though...

The Anakin wank is getting out of hand... He stomps Grievous though.

Originally posted by samappo
Lol Jen got massacred. He never replies to criticism though, so you'll never get an answer.

Still this is the guy that said Suit Vader > Yoda and Darth Zannah > Yoda

ROTJ Vader has a pretty good change against Zannah.

Her Sith Sorcery may backfire heavily.

Yeah but he reckons both could individually beat Yoda...

Originally posted by samappo
Yeah but he reckons both could individually beat Yoda...

Lol What? He said Zannah > Yoda?

Yeah I can't find it, may have deleted it haha. But in his discussion part of his channel, someone asked Yoda vs Zannah, and his evaluation went something like: "Yoda would try and batter down Zannah, but she would use Soresu to let him to tire and then strike him down."

Nuff said.....

Originally posted by samappo
Yeah I can't find it, may have deleted it haha. But in his discussion part of his channel, someone asked Yoda vs Zannah, and his evaluation went something like: "Yoda would try and batter down Zannah, but she would use Soresu to let him to tire and then strike him down."

Nuff said.....

So sad that I'm inclined to believe that.

Evan also said Zannah would have a good chance against Yoda or something like that. Lol.