Why Yoda *is* Great

Okay so I rewatched this video by Jensaarai and he literally has no idea what he's talking about. His main blunder is saying that because Yoda was not a creative duelist; he was inherently slave to form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2N7pI543fA

This is ridiculous. The same applies to Sidious. Oh wait, what's that? Sidious and Yoda are the only definitive 9's in the movie. Mace borders between 8 and 9, and Anakin is 9 when amped.

Clearly slave to form doesn't really matter when the two movie duelists who mastered all seven forms and didn't retool any form to make their own style (as far as we know) are the two best duelists in the saga. Therefore 'slave to form' matters not 😉

Also, his comments about the duel with Sidious. Jen says Yoda could have used Form II or Form III and not tired himself as quickly. Doubtful. Yoda was restricted to using Form IV offensively because his stature wouldn't allow him to use other forms for too long; or else his opponent would be able to take advantage of his small size and small blade.

Plus who cares? Yoda took the advantageous 'high ground' in a manner of speaking and using that disarmed Sidious. So it's not like he did poorly in that fight.

Jen states that Yoda trained himself to respond to the book. No creativity... while this isn't entirely false, it isn't entirely true either. Form VII was not wrote response. It required the practitioner to immerse themselves in the battle and enjoy it, and used randomised sequences and attacks. You can't just learn Juyo sequences.

Regardless, the two definitive 9's of the Star Wars saga are Sidious and Yoda, and both were textbook masters of all forms, neither really retooled any of the forms for their own use. They were just simply that good at lightsaber combat that they didn't need to.

In the comic of aotc he actually did make use of soresu vs dooku. And given that dooku ended tiring himself out, it could be argued yoda's soresu is > dooku's makashi

Originally posted by samappo
he literally has no idea what he's talking about.

No reason to go past that accurate statement. 🙂

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
In the comic of aotc he actually did make use of soresu vs dooku. And given that dooku ended tiring himself out, it could be argued yoda's soresu is > dooku's makashi

That's another thing I forgot to add. Good point. It's not like Yoda couldn't mix forms during combat. He used Ataru offensively complimented by other forms.

No reason to go past that accurate statement. 🙂

Rofl.

Who gives a shit?

Originally posted by samappo
Okay so I rewatched this video by Jensaarai and he literally has no idea what he's talking about. His main blunder is saying that because Yoda was not a creative duelist; he was inherently slave to form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2N7pI543fA

This is ridiculous. The same applies to Sidious. Oh wait, what's that? Sidious [b]and Yoda are the only definitive 9's in the movie. Mace borders between 8 and 9, and Anakin is 9 when amped.

Clearly slave to form doesn't really matter when the two movie duelists who mastered all seven forms and didn't retool any form to make their own style (as far as we know) are the two best duelists in the saga. Therefore 'slave to form' matters not 😉

Also, his comments about the duel with Sidious. Jen says Yoda could have used Form II or Form III and not tired himself as quickly. Doubtful. Yoda was restricted to using Form IV offensively because his stature wouldn't allow him to use other forms for too long; or else his opponent would be able to take advantage of his small size and small blade.

Plus who cares? Yoda took the advantageous 'high ground' in a manner of speaking and using that disarmed Sidious. So it's not like he did poorly in that fight.

Jen states that Yoda trained himself to respond to the book. No creativity... while this isn't entirely false, it isn't entirely true either. Form VII was not wrote response. It required the practitioner to immerse themselves in the battle and enjoy it, and used randomised sequences and attacks. You can't just learn Juyo sequences.

Regardless, the two definitive 9's of the Star Wars saga are Sidious and Yoda, and both were textbook masters of all forms, neither really retooled any of the forms for their own use. They were just simply that good at lightsaber combat that they didn't need to. [/B]

"Sigh."

That video is six years old. He has since apologised for it and admitted that he was far too critical of Yoda in it.

In a later video-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCYDE_BIilo

He gives a far more positive analysis of Yoda's skills.

Originally posted by samappo
Sidious and Yoda are the only definitive 9's in the movie. Mace borders between 8 and 9, and Anakin is 9 when amped.

You are giving WAY too much importance to "pie in the sky" numbers here.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
And given that dooku ended tiring himself out, it could be argued yoda's soresu is > dooku's makashi

No it couldn't. Dooku had just fought Obi-Wan and Anakin while Yoda was "fresh as a daisy." Plus Yoda was also exhausted after the fight.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
"Sigh."

That video is six years old. He has since apologised for it and admitted that he was far too critical of Yoda in it.

In a later video-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCYDE_BIilo

He gives a far more positive analysis of Yoda's skills.

You are giving WAY too much importance to "pie in the sky" numbers here.

No it couldn't. Dooku had just fought Obi-Wan and Anakin while Yoda was "fresh as a daisy." Plus Yoda was also exhausted after the fight.

Fair enough I'll watch the video.

No I'm not giving too much importance. Level 9 is only occupied by Yoda and Sidious definitively. I used this to show that just using the forms in a textbook doesn't mean you're a worse off duelist.

Originally posted by samappo
Fair enough I'll watch the video.

No I'm not giving too much importance. Level 9 is only occupied by Yoda and Sidious definitively. I used this to show that just using the forms in a textbook way doesn't mean you're a worse off duelist.

I watched the video aaaaand he improved but not by much. He stills goes into more detail talking about Yoda's flaws than his strengths. He's just lowkeying his opinions instead of presenting them out loud.

I love how he says "Yoda isn't seen disarming anyone, all he does it bash down his opponent's guard." (paraphrasing) yet Yoda disarms Sidious ???

Apparently a defensive fighter would be able to stop him. Basically hinting at Kenobi. Doubtful though. Kenobi on his duel on Mustafar concedes Vader as the better swordsman and knows Vader would break his defenses eventually. Vader just happened to *** up by being overconfident. On neutral ground Vader would have killed Kenobi. So the same could be applied to a potential Yoda vs Kenobi. Kenobi is also only an 8, Yoda is a 9, and the gap between 8 and 9 is quite massive, more so than the gap between any other two levels, so.

You don't need to respond to these videos, especially Jensaari's inane ramblings about Yoda. Some of these YouTube analyses are the equivalent of setting yourself up for Fool's Mate in chess. I mean, we've had Tholme > Zannah and Zannah > Yoda, lmao.

Sorta wanted to see if anyone could support his claims.

No. Because they're factually incorrect. Acting like Yoda and Sidious are low-council tier in sabers is the equivalent of believing the Earth is flat in this day and age. Or thinking that 3 x 3 = 3.

Lmfao.

Thank you for bringing to our attention what we already know. Good to see more people standing against Jen, tho. 👆

Only recently joined KMC so had no idea.

Everyone shitting on poor shampoo for trying.

Originally posted by samappo
Yoda disarms Sidious ???

theres no definitive proof on film that Yoda actually does disarm Sidious, for all we know Sidious withdrew to the high ground with his saber intact

Yoda disarms Sidious in the novelisation.

No, he does it in the junior novel, not the adult novel.

That's what I meant. What does happen in the adult novel anyway? Does it extrapolate?