Superman VERSUS KMC Trans Tier

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Even those who have outright beat him?

H/P/DD Wars Doomsday was, for example, portrayed as far above him, yet in OWAW it was directly stated that if he wanted to, he could end Doomsday right there once he cut loose [which was that same H/P-DD Wars Doomsday that was portrayed above him].

It helps if you imagine the Imperiex Probes as the generic trans-level character [which they are]. Read most of Superman's fights with Imperiex Probes at the beginning, and then read the ones from the end in space - the gulf between performances is simply ridiculous. That's...basically Superman moving a few tiers above his beatable 'normal'.

Crazy that people site one arc as a consistent on a character power level. It's like me siting Doc Green fight against Red Hulk that grew so powerful that it was said no being on Earth could stop him but Hulk. I digress.

Originally posted by carver9
Crazy that people site one arc as a consistent on a character power level. It's like me siting Doc Green fight against Red Hulk that grew so powerful that it was said no being on Earth could stop him but Hulk. I digress.

It's just that Clark has the best record of fighting outside his weight class followed by Norrin et Thor...

Originally posted by Sin I AM
It's just that Clark has the best record of fighting outside his weight class followed by Norrin et Thor...

Off one arc? That's all I see brought up tbh whereas the other have a long history of showings fighting outside their tier, especially Thor.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Even those who have outright beat him?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
It's just that Clark has the best record of fighting outside his weight class followed by Norrin et Thor...

Originally posted by Galan007
It just really pisses carver off that no one is wanking Hulk right now. That's why he's hating. 👆

Really? 😕

Originally posted by carver9
Off one arc? That's all I see brought up tbh whereas the other have a long history of showings fighting outside their tier, especially Thor.

Superman is the quintessential cape. When you think of the penultimate hero his image comes immediately to mind. Let's put it this way...ignore retcons. Merge every single version of him into one amalgamation. Do the same thing for Hulk, Thor, Cap Marvel, whoever...then average them out. Supes is far and away leagues ahead of his peers.

Add to the fact that his powers are more plot driven than any other character. You will never find another hero that stands on equal footing or that consistently does the things he does by simply "willing" it.

Now to be clear I am by no means a fangirl. I actually like Thor more. I'm just going off what I've seen him do across every medium. If he wants to win he will win period. I hope you understand this...trying not to be condescending.

Originally posted by Galan007
If we are truly staying in-line with Superman's character history, and truly considering the plethora of times he has stepped beyond his 'regular' tier... Taking into account the plethora of times he has beaten opponents who should have been vastly beyond himself... Then we should really be trying to figure out who he *couldn't* beat on that list, imo.

Interesting. I guess I just don't agree to that extent, then. I'd be willing to add a couple to the list I suggested earlier, but most in Trans. would run through him like butter unless we're very generous about high-end v. low-end feat (imo).

Originally posted by carver9
Off one arc? That's all I see brought up tbh whereas the other have a long history of showings fighting outside their tier, especially Thor.

Superman hasn't really fought uninhibited many times. Stuff like averages has no meaning here. For instance, WBH can't be averaged with Savage Hulk. Two different incarnations.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Superman is the quintessential cape. When you think of the penultimate hero his image comes immediately to mind. Let's put it this way...ignore retcons. Merge every single version of him into one amalgamation. Do the same thing for Hulk, Thor, Cap Marvel, whoever...then average them out. Supes is far and away leagues ahead of his peers.

Add to the fact that his powers are more plot driven than any other character. You will never find another hero that stands on equal footing or that consistently does the things he does by simply "willing" it.

Now to be clear I am by no means a fangirl. I actually like Thor more. I'm just going off what I've seen him do across every medium. If he wants to win he will win period. I hope you understand this...trying not to be condescending.

Doesn't this apply to every character though...well, hero? The only reason it seems so different for people like Spiderman and Superman is because they star in more comic than someone like Thor but with their highs, they develop far more lows.

Overall, I agree with what you are saying but I just wouldn't use Thor is trans tier or anywhere close to it even though he have some of the best showings against Skyfathers and trans tiers looking at his average.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman hasn't really fought uninhibited many times. Stuff like averages has no meaning here. For instance, WBH can't be averaged with Savage Hulk. Two different incarnations.

True but I wouldn't use one arc as a determination of what someone could do here or Savage Hulk is Abstract level. One arc doesn't put someone over their peers.

Originally posted by carver9
Doesn't this apply to every character though...well, hero? The only reason it seems so different for people like Spiderman and Superman is because they star in more comic than someone like Thor but with their highs, they develop far more lows.

Overall, I agree with what you are saying but I just wouldn't use Thor is trans tier or anywhere close to it even though he have some of the best showings against Skyfathers and trans tiers looking at his average.

Short answer yes. Moreso to superman than any other character in comics

Did someone claim Superman was trans tier?

Originally posted by Digi
Interesting. I guess I just don't agree to that extent, then. I'd be willing to add a couple to the list I suggested earlier, but most in Trans. would run through him like butter unless we're very generous about high-end v. low-end feat (imo).

Superman operating at highest ability can cut through some trans beings in one stroke (like he did the probes). But most importantly his speed and perception will allow him to see most beings almost frozen in time. Think about it. If he's operating with those perceptions and speed then it will be very difficult just to land a single blow. His strength and HV will be off the charts. He could conceivably cut through many very quickly.

One last thing, Odin and other skyfather level characters has been knocked around and busted up by supposedly lower beings before.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Stop stealing people thread ideas lob you unimaginative phuck

SILENCE YOUR FOOL MOUTH, WENCH!!!!

THE DAY THE MIGHTY LOB HAS TO STEAL ANYTHING FROM YOU IS THE DAY REALITY ITSELF COLLAPSES!!!

Originally posted by Digi
Interesting. I guess I just don't agree to that extent, then. I'd be willing to add a couple to the list I suggested earlier, but most in Trans. would run through him like butter unless we're very generous about high-end v. low-end feat (imo).

STOP POSTURING AND POST YOUR LIST, UNBELIEVER!!

Superman will not win a single match.

Originally posted by JBL
Superman will not win a single match.

WHORISH LIES!!!!!!!!

You've been asked to stop yelling at people. Now I'm telling you. Stop it.