There's no way Revan would actually win a fight against the Exile

While browsing some articles on the Star Wars wiki, I was reminded of the age-old debate of 'Revan vs. Exile, who would win?'. What struck me was the huge disparity between the personal growth Revan and the Exile underwent in their respective games. For reference, here are a few snippets from the wiki page of the latter:

Through her informal apprenticeship to Kreia, Surik was able to learn a number of rare and advanced Jedi techniques, including Breath control and Beast trick. Kreia also taught Surik a powerful form of mind reading, where one could read the innermost thoughts of another. Kreia was very impressed with the speed in which she learned this power. She said that most Jedi Masters studied many years to learn the technique.

She also learned many techniques from her companions: Atton Rand taught her to shield her thoughts, Brianna taught her Battle Precognition, Mical taught her an advanced form of meditation, and Visas Marr taught her how to see through the Force. She also learned Moving Meditation while trying to improve the functionality of her utility droid T3-M4. She learned the light-sided Force technique known as Force Enlightenment, after nearly being severed from the Force by the reconvened Jedi Council, and after Kreia, who had revealed herself as Darth Traya, betrayed Surik by murdering the Masters.

Surik defeated a number of high-profile adversaries, including Azkul, Vaklu, Atris, and the Sith Lords Darth Sion, Darth Traya, and Darth Nihilus. She was highly skilled in the art of lightsaber combat, utilizing the lightsaber forms Shii-Cho, Makashi, and Soresu, and was known to have used at least one advanced Force technique, known as Force Channel. She was also proficient in many forms of hand-to-hand and melee combat. At the Telosian Jedi Academy, Surik defeated five of the six Handmaiden sisters in hand-to-hand combat. On Dxun, Surik defeated the two champions of the Mandalorians' battle circle, Kelborn and Bralor, becoming the champion of the battle circle and earning the champions' rights to criticize or praise any Mandalorian who sparred in the battle circle. Mandalore the Preserver told Surik, with respect, that even with all their martial training, battles and ethics, even the greatest of his Mandalorian warriors were no match for her. Even Bralor commented on her abilities stating that he now saw why the Jedi were able to beat them.

She also became one of the few Jedi capable of using Dun Möch, especially in a duel against Darth Sion who could not be defeated by normal means. Surik eventually convinced Sion to let go of the Force and to finally allow himself to leave his life of pain and die. Surik remains the only known light-sided Jedi that used the technique to its greatest extent (most Jedi that used the technique employed an inverse variant, or in limited applications only).

At a young age she demonstrated an unusual ability to influence others, and the Jedi Masters believed that she could form bonds through the Force easily to those around her, an ability she was not consciously aware of. After reconnecting with the Force, this ability became stronger. Simply by observing another in action, Surik could instantly learn Force techniques and lightsaber forms that would take a Jedi Master years to perfect. It was believed by Masters Zez-Kai Ell, Kavar, and Vrook Lamar that this was because of the wound in the Force that surrounded her, which allowed her—like Darth Nihilus—to feed on the death of other life forms to sustain her Force powers. This wound was caused by the Battle of Malachor V, and was what originally blocked her connection to the Force. When Surik traveled the galaxy, killing hundreds in her search for the Masters, she unconsciously fed on all that death, fuelling her powers. It was this that caused the Masters such fear—both at her trial and after she had united them on Dantooine—as they thought her condition to be not only a threat to the Jedi and the Force, but a threat to life itself.

This isn't stuff from some obscure novel or comic that was retroactively added to the Exile's backstory, this all happens in the game, and is reinforced both in the story and through gameplay mechanics. The Exile went through a genuine spiritual journey. Besides improving his combat skills, he also learned to resist mental torture, heighten his senses to detect hidden or even future threats, awaken others to their unrealized Force potential and teach them to be Jedi, etc. By contrast, Revan learned to...uh. Well, he learned to swoop ride so well he won the race on Taris to free Bastila? Seriously, the equivalent section on Revan's wiki page is almost completely empty compared to the Exile's. It mostly lists what other characters believed Revan capable of, not any actual specifics of what he learned.

I'm well aware of Revan's numerous exploits, but that's just the thing. It's not that Revan became such a popular character because all of his amazing exploits, it's that those exploits were only later added into his backstory because of how popular he was. Almost none of the things he's famed for actually happened in Kotor. Ironically, Kotor 2 is probably the biggest culprit of inflating Revan's myth, since it retconned Revan into some sort of strategical mastermind who attacked the Republic for the greater good.

Based on the things we actually see with our own eyes, I don't think Revan could stand a chance against the Exile.

I agree, Exile would probably stomp.

Beni, I notice that the carthage inside you has been growing as of late. Suppress it. 🙂

There's a carthage in every man and it stirs when you put a keyboard in his hands.

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Originally posted by Kreyghun
While browsing some articles on the Star Wars wiki, I was reminded of the age-old debate of 'Revan vs. Exile, who would win?'. What struck me was the huge disparity between the personal growth Revan and the Exile underwent in their respective games. For reference, here are a few snippets from the wiki page of the latter:

This isn't stuff from some obscure novel or comic that was retroactively added to the Exile's backstory, this all happens in the game, and is reinforced both in the story and through gameplay mechanics. The Exile went through a genuine spiritual journey. Besides improving his combat skills, he also learned to resist mental torture, heighten his senses to detect hidden or even future threats, awaken others to their unrealized Force potential and teach them to be Jedi, etc. By contrast, Revan learned to...uh. Well, he learned to swoop ride so well he won the race on Taris to free Bastila? Seriously, the equivalent section on Revan's wiki page is almost completely empty compared to the Exile's. It mostly lists what other characters believed Revan capable of, not any actual specifics of what he learned.

I'm well aware of Revan's numerous exploits, but that's just the thing. It's not that Revan became such a popular character because all of his amazing exploits, it's that those exploits were only later added into his backstory because of how popular he was. Almost none of the things he's famed for actually happened in Kotor. Ironically, Kotor 2 is probably the biggest culprit of inflating Revan's myth, since it retconned Revan into some sort of strategical mastermind who attacked the Republic for the greater good.

Based on the things we actually see with our own eyes, I don't think Revan could stand a chance against the Exile.

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A freaking wikipage... truly the source of ultimate informaton...

Revan distinegrated the same Sith Lord that humiliated the Exile.

Further, Revan is outright confirmed to be more powerful than her.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan distinegrated the same Sith Lord that humiliated the Exile.

Further, Revan is outright confirmed to be more powerful than her.

Revan was always shit compared to the exile.

KOTOR sucks dick

Originally posted by carthage
KOTOR sucks dick

Good thread.

Revan stomps.

Revan stomps, there's no debating it really.

Yeah... Unfortunately, little one, you need more than a wiki page to even consider starting an argument.

Next time tho :3

Given the fact that Revan's feats far outstrip Meetra's own, as well as the fact that Revan annihilated the Sith Lord that was stomping Meetra, I'd say you're wrong here.

Originally posted by MythLord
A freaking wikipage... truly the source of ultimate informaton...

Originally posted by darthbane77
Given the fact that Revan's feats far outstrip Meetra's own, as well as the fact that Revan annihilated the Sith Lord that was stomping Meetra, I'd say you're wrong here.

So yeah sure, Revan is technically stronger. But not in a way that feels earned or believable. Again, there's no denying the fact that Revan started out as little more than a plot twist (and a nonsensical one at that) in his own game and needed tons of other pieces of Star Wars fiction to fill in the gaps about his character.

Just look at something like the ability of battle precognition, with both the Exile and Revan possess. In Kotor 2, the Exile learns this ability from the Handmaiden, who is a member of the Echani warrior-race. It allows the Exile to add his wisdom modifier to his defense score. Gameplay and story work in tandem to convey character growth. Furthermore, the sparring matches between the Exile and the Handmaiden have a philosophical bent pertaining to the the ethics of combat and warfare.

By contrast, I didn't even know Revan was supposed to possess battle precognition until I read it on his wiki page. Yet there's no explanation of how he learned it, or from who, or how he utilizes it, etc. Absolutely nothing.

That's just one relatively minor detail, but it easily demonstrates just how much more thought was put into the Exile's character compared to Revan's. The result is that the Exile is a much more believable character and by that I also mean that I find it much more believable that the Exile could best Revan than the other way around.

Originally posted by Kreyghun
By contrast, I didn't even know Revan was supposed to possess battle precognition until I read it on his wiki page. Yet there's no explanation of how he learned it, or from who, or how he utilizes it, etc. Absolutely nothing.

And he was way better at it than the Exile.

Originally posted by Kreyghun
You might have a point if we were discussing quantum physics. Then obviously a wiki article would be a poor scientific source. But when it's something like the plot of a video game, wiki pages are pretty reliable. All the things I listed in my post did happen after all. Or are you going to deny their existence?

You do realize I acknowleged precisely that? Did you somehow miss the paragraph in my post where I alluded to Revan's numerous exploits?

So yeah sure, Revan is technically stronger. But not in a way that feels earned or believable. Again, there's no denying the fact that Revan started out as little more than a plot twist (and a nonsensical one at that) in his own game and needed tons of other pieces of Star Wars fiction to fill in the gaps about his character.

Just look at something like the ability of battle precognition, with both the Exile and Revan possess. In Kotor 2, the Exile learns this ability from the Handmaiden, who is a member of the Echani warrior-race. It allows the Exile to add his wisdom modifier to his defense score. Gameplay and story work in tandem to convey character growth. Furthermore, the sparring matches between the Exile and the Handmaiden have a philosophical bent pertaining to the the ethics of combat and warfare.

By contrast, I didn't even know Revan was supposed to possess battle precognition until I read it on his wiki page. Yet there's no explanation of how he learned it, or from who, or how he utilizes it, etc. Absolutely nothing.

That's just one relatively minor detail, but it easily demonstrates just how much more thought was put into the Exile's character compared to Revan's. The result is that the Exile is a much more believable character and by that I also mean that I find it much more believable that the Exile could best Revan than the other way around.

Revan's a better character too.