Could Yoda One-Shot Count Dooku in a Fight?

Started by UCanShootMyNova4 pages

"exhausted only because he allowed the fight to be prolonged"

This is a confusing stance to me tbh. Even if Yoda was holding back against Dooku in the fight his energy expenditure shouldn't be that much then what it would take to combat Dooku's own. While I'm not arguing that Dooku is on Yoda's level or even extremely close he's certainly not in oneshot territory or vulnerable to being stasised if prepared. That's shown pretty clearly in the fact that Yoda didn't do exactly that at the start of their fight.

Not sure why your signaling out any particular quote.

There's dozens of different portrayals of the fight.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
"exhausted only because he allowed the fight to be prolonged"

This is a confusing stance to me tbh. Even if Yoda was holding back against Dooku in the fight his energy expenditure shouldn't be that much then what it would take to combat Dooku's own. While I'm not arguing that Dooku is on Yoda's level or even extremely close he's certainly not in oneshot territory or vulnerable to being stasised if prepared. That's shown pretty clearly in the fact that Yoda didn't do exactly that at the start of their fight.

Yoda is an old old man, even if he goes all out or doesn't he's still gonna be exhausted once he turns it off so to speak; we see this in ATOC very clearly

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Not sure why your signaling out any particular quote.

There's dozens of different portrayals of the fight.

Nothing that contradicts Yoda being tired after the fight. He's shown to breathing heavily and groaning with each step in the movie IIRC.

Again, not saying Yoda wasn't holding back. I just don't get the line of reasoning that Yoda could oneshot Dooku when he was exhausted after fighting defensively against him.

Yoda didn't get exhausted nearly as quickly when fighting Sidious, so unless you're suggesting Dooku>Sidious or that's AOTC Yoda was completely out of shape but got back into the swing of things due to the Clone Wars before dueling Sidious, that quote is stupid and patently false.

Originally posted by relentless1
Yoda is an old old man, even if he goes all out or doesn't he's still gonna be exhausted once he turns it off so to speak; we see this in ATOC very clearly

You can't turn off the Force. It's ALWAYS passively augmenting you. Read "Maul: Lockdown" for a good example of this where Maul's instructed specifically NOT to use the Force.

Ok but you can clearly turn it up to another level, we have seen Yoda do this on several occasions in the PT

@DD: Because Yoda's approaching 900 years old? The amount of energy he has to expend to do all those flips and acrobatics is obviously taxing.

He has the Force reserves that allows him to due it for prolonged periods of time, but that doesn't mean he doesn't get tired when the enhancement goes away.

Remember the Revenge of the Sith novel describing the end of Yoda vs Palpatine: The base of the Arena was a hundred meters below, littered with twisted scraps and jags of metal from the pods destroyed in the battle, and as the little green freak fell, finally, above, the victorious shadow became once again only Palpatine: a very old, very tired man, gasping for air as he leaned on the pod's rail.

It's almost like a drug.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yoda didn't get exhausted nearly as quickly when fighting Sidious, so unless you're suggesting Dooku>Sidious or that's AOTC Yoda was completely out of shape but got back into the swing of things due to the Clone Wars before dueling Sidious, that quote is stupid and patently false.

There are different levels of weariness when it comes to energy usage. Perhaps Yoda used his energy more strategically against Sidious because he knew he was facing an opponent that was even more powerful then himself rather then one solidly below him. Perhaps you're right and he did grow throughout the Clone Wars but if he did I doubt it'd be by much personally.

Originally posted by relentless1
Ok but you can clearly turn it up to another level, we have seen Yoda do this on several occasions in the PT

And that's fair. I'm just saying that Yoda appearing to be exhausted in the movie and being stated to be exhausted in the novel make it pretty clear that his energy usage in the fight was significant.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
@DD: Because Yoda's approaching 900 years old? The amount of energy he has to expend to do all those flips and acrobatics is obviously taxing.

He has the Force reserves that allows him to due it for prolonged periods of time, but that doesn't mean he doesn't get tired when the enhancement goes away.

Remember the Revenge of the Sith novel describing the end of Yoda vs Palpatine: The base of the Arena was a hundred meters below, littered with twisted scraps and jags of metal from the pods destroyed in the battle, and as the little green freak fell, finally, above, the victorious shadow became once again only Palpatine: a very old, very tired man, gasping for air as he leaned on the pod's rail.

It's almost like a drug.

No, it isn't. Yoda has the energy reserves to match entire planets via having nearly matched Sidious in RotS.

The Force is ALWAYS passively enhancing a Force user.

Because he had used a great deal of his energy when combating Yoda.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
The Force is ALWAYS passively enhancing a Force user. .

... what?

Unless Yoda actively calls upon the Force for significant energy, he's not running, let alone doing flips, lmfao.

His style is dependent on using massive amounts of energy in return for insane augmentation that thus ends fights quickly.

Have you not read Maul: Lockdown or RotS or any number of EU novels where a Force user has their physical capabilites passively augmented due to their connection with the Force?

Are we really drawing a comparison between someone like Maul, specifically trained as a physical weapon, and someone like Yoda?

Physicals are passively augmented (obviously), but Yoda's passive augmentation looks something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRd9PGmAQUE&t=0m06s

😂

What he's doing versus Dooku and Sidious is expending energy - lots of it. It's not passive whatsoever.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Are we really drawing a comparison between someone like Maul, specifically trained as a physical weapon, and someone like Yoda?

Yes.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What he's doing versus Dooku and Sidious is expending energy - lots of it. It's not passive whatsoever.

Never said it was.

Yeah, let's not.

Strip Yoda from the Force and I wonder if he can even move.

Strip Maul from the Force and he's still capable of ripping off heads, I imagine.

Maul is the absolute peak of physical strength and perfection in SW.

Yoda? I'd rank him actually in last place.

Sure.

Apply their passively augmented physicals and I'd say Yoda is at least around his level given the vast disparity in their active power.

Yoda nearly matching a being with Galaxy level energy manipulation vs ... Maul...

We see Yoda passively amped throughout the entire films when he's not fighting. He's still walking with a cane - barely. 😬

It's an affectation. Pretty sure he doesn't use it throughout the majority of DR and is just fine.

Yoda and Sidious would both be dead tbh from some sort of health problem without their midichlorian counts. Can't compare them to Maul