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Originally posted by FrothByte
Ward, hits harder than S1 DD, is just as vicious as Kingpin a lot more skilled and a lot more experienced.
Good points, but since then Kingpin has been in prison amping up by lifting heavy (I dont think Ward can bench press what Kingpin was benching in Season 2 Daredevil) and he's growing more vicious as well...
I personally think this is a very close fight...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Good points, but since then Kingpin has been in prison amping up by lifting heavy (I dont think Ward can bench press what Kingpin was benching in Season 2 Daredevil) and he's growing more vicious as well...I personally think this is a very close fight...
Meh, lifting heavy weights doesn't necessarily translate to fighting strength. Not saying that Kingpin isn't strong, just that him lifting weights isn't the best gauge to say that he wins this fight.
Kingpin is stronger than Ward, but Ward has fought and defeated a plethora of opponents that offer more complex challenges than Kingpin.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Meh, lifting heavy weights doesn't necessarily translate to fighting strength. Not saying that Kingpin isn't strong, just that him lifting weights isn't the best gauge to say that he wins this fight.Kingpin is stronger than Ward, but Ward has fought and defeated a plethora of opponents that offer more complex challenges than Kingpin.
I fully agree with your points, I'm just making the point that Kingpin is currently more formidible than he was in Season 1 (he is physically stronger if nothing else)...
And Season 1 Kingpin was able to fight Daredevil competitively for a bit before finally losing to him...
Ward isn't beating Kingpin
Check out fight scenes at 2:46 and 3:30.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUFz4sv1bTY
That's Ward fighting an enhanced human that can easily punch holes through car doors, stronger than anything we've seen from Kingpin. Though Ward eventually wins by using a gadget, he does take some hits from the enhanced human and is still able to get back up and keep fighting without looking the worse for wear. Not only that, but he was also able to manhandle the enhanced human for a bit proving that Ward himself is quite strong. And this enhanced human is both stronger and more skilled than Kingpin.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Check out fight scenes at 2:46 and 3:30.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUFz4sv1bTY
That's Ward fighting an enhanced human that can easily punch holes through car doors, stronger than anything we've seen from Kingpin. Though Ward eventually wins by using a gadget, he does take some hits from the enhanced human and is still able to get back up and keep fighting without looking the worse for wear. Not only that, but he was also able to manhandle the enhanced human for a bit proving that Ward himself is quite strong. And this enhanced human is both stronger and more skilled than Kingpin.
I don't know. Those fights didn't look all that impressive, but maybe its me. The enhanced human was strong enough to punch inside a car door but was only able to toss Ward about 5 feet. Doesn't seem consistent. I think Daredevil was a better fighter than Ward too during his fight with Kingpin. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Check out fight scenes at 2:46 and 3:30.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUFz4sv1bTY
That's Ward fighting an enhanced human that can easily punch holes through car doors, stronger than anything we've seen from Kingpin. Though Ward eventually wins by using a gadget, he does take some hits from the enhanced human and is still able to get back up and keep fighting without looking the worse for wear. Not only that, but he was also able to manhandle the enhanced human for a bit proving that Ward himself is quite strong. And this enhanced human is both stronger and more skilled than Kingpin.
Dam...
You know, I remember Ward being a good fighter, but my memory hasnt done him justice...
Ward is an incredible combatant; I'd forgotten just how awesome his combat prowess was...
Originally posted by tkitna
I don't know. Those fights didn't look all that impressive, but maybe its me. The enhanced human was strong enough to punch inside a car door but was only able to toss Ward about 5 feet. Doesn't seem consistent. I think Daredevil was a better fighter than Ward too during his fight with Kingpin. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
I too believe that Daredevil is superior to Ward in combat...
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Originally posted by tkitna
I don't know. Those fights didn't look all that impressive, but maybe its me. The enhanced human was strong enough to punch inside a car door but was only able to toss Ward about 5 feet. Doesn't seem consistent. I think Daredevil was a better fighter than Ward too during his fight with Kingpin. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
I posted that fight to showcase Ward's durability and considerable strength. If you want a better fight scene then here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM5sqeZDJyY
You can find more on youtube, but even with just that video you can tell that Ward takes out goons far faster and more efficiently than S1 Daredevil. He has a lot more KO power than DD and uses more debilitating moves. S1 DD takes multiple hits to finish off his opponents whereas Ward takes them out in 1-3 moves.
Here's another good one at 1:03
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I keep going back and forth, but at current, Kingpin by a hair for me...I'd love to hear more arguments for both combatants though...
Ok here's a question. Take a look at the h2h fights that Ward has gone through in the vids I posted above. Do you honestly think that Kingpin can win those if he was in Ward's shoes?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok here's a question. Take a look at the h2h fights that Ward has gone through in the vids I posted above. Do you honestly think that Kingpin can win those if he was in Ward's shoes?
The fights would go differently if Kingpin was in those scenes; different fighting styles and all (Kingpin is more brute force)...
But yes, I do think Kingpin would win those fights; he would probaly take more damage as he comes straight at you, but I do think he'd win...
Kingpin is skilled as well (Judo if I remember correctly), has massive strength, and has good damage soak...
Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah I have no idea how people think Kingpin is winning. He only even beat Castle because he'd been beaten and tortured to shit only directly before their fight.
Castle is a bad man fueled by incredible rage...
Castles rage and anger is so great that he resisted being tasered by 4 tasers simutaneously before eventually falling...
That same rage (combined with a relentless fighting style) allowed him to defeat many prisoners in rapid sucession...
Castle is a terrifying foe...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
The fights would go differently if Kingpin was in those scenes; different fighting styles and all (Kingpin is more brute force)...But yes, I do think Kingpin would win those fights; he would probaly take more damage as he comes straight at you, but I do think he'd win...
Kingpin is skilled as well (Judo if I remember correctly), has massive strength, and has good damage soak...
Seriously? You think he can take on multiple skilled opponents in such harrowing circumstances even when he has zero feats to support it? Or even take on an enhanced individual stronger and tougher than he is?
For example Ward's fight inside the plane against multiple soldiers. You see Kingpin pulling that off?