Originally posted by relentless1
no, but Widow is a great benchmark for the Amazons vs the Chitauri; if a normal human; ablate an extraordinarily skilled one (just like the Amazons) can kill them by the dozens then the Amazons can as well
Widow was using her wrist zappers, guns and even the Chitauri's weapons against them.
yes I'm just referring to the Amazons taking on the foot soldiers but nothing was said of Wonder Woman not being available in the OP so she can take out the Leviathans, and the Amazons are much more skilled than Widow, they took on a platoon with guns almost effortlessly with ancient weaponry; the only reason they suffered any losses at all were ignorance: its clear that they didn't even know what guns were judging by the surprised looks when one of their number was dropped by a bullet; after that point they were skilled enough to dodge and destroy; Antiope died only because Diana dropped her guard like an idiot and she had to save her.
Originally posted by relentless1
yes I'm just referring to the Amazons taking on the foot soldiers but nothing was said of Wonder Woman not being available in the OP so she can take out the Leviathans, and the Amazons are much more skilled than Widow, they took on a platoon with guns almost effortlessly with ancient weaponry; the only reason they suffered any losses at all were ignorance: its clear that they didn't even know what guns were judging by the surprised looks when one of their number was dropped by a bullet; after that point they were skilled enough to dodge and destroy; Antiope died only because Diana dropped her guard like an idiot and she had to save her.
How exactly is WW going to take down a Leviathan? The only person we know of who took down a leviathan singlehandedly was Thor, and WW does not have the destructive output of Thor.
She can probably stab one, but I don't think her sword is long enough to cause a deep enough wound to kill a leviathan.
Originally posted by FrothByte
How exactly is WW going to take down a Leviathan? The only person we know of who took down a leviathan singlehandedly was Thor, and WW does not have the destructive output of Thor.She can probably stab one, but I don't think her sword is long enough to cause a deep enough wound to kill a leviathan.
This isn't true, Hulk took down. And Ironman took one down. She also has her bracers that create a massive blast as shown.
Originally posted by Sable
This isn't true, Hulk took down. And Ironman took one down. She also has her bracers that create a massive blast as shown.
Hulk didn't take one down alone. He took down the first one with IM's help. Took down a second one with Thor's help.
I did forget about IM taking out one by himself, but considering that WW doesn't fly and doesn't have explosives I don't think she can utilize the same tactics that IM did.
Also she can fly, as she was flying when she killed Ares.
Originally posted by Sable
He didn't have help. He stopped it dead in its tracks, Ironman blew the tail off because it was going to land on the avengers.
Stopping something's momentum isn't the same as killing it. It was IM's missile that made the thing explode. In the end, it was a combined effort between Hulk and IM.
Originally posted by relentless1
yes I'm just referring to the Amazons taking on the foot soldiers but nothing was said of Wonder Woman not being available in the OP so she can take out the Leviathans, and the Amazons are much more skilled than Widow, they took on a platoon with guns almost effortlessly with ancient weaponry; the only reason they suffered any losses at all were ignorance: its clear that they didn't even know what guns were judging by the surprised looks when one of their number was dropped by a bullet; after that point they were skilled enough to dodge and destroy; Antiope died only because Diana dropped her guard like an idiot and she had to save her.
So, WW would have to do pretty much all of the heavy lifting, assuming she has the damage output to take on Leviathans? So, they don't actually have the more powerful army. Just a more powerful individual warrior, who they'd get wrecked without. And that's assuming she is actually part of the army, even though she left them 100 years before the current point in the DCEU time line.
Based on exactly what are the Amazons "much more skilled" than Widow? A training montage at the beginning of the film?
And a couple Chitauri fliers could dish out several times more damage than a few squads of WW1 soldiers armed with rifles can. From 1:20 onwards:
Also, how exactly are the TwiWolves beating the Chitauri?
Even IM's lasers had little effect. Jarvis told him that he'd run out of power before managing to cut through their armour. He had to target a soft spot when the Hulk knocked some of the armour loose. And the one he solo'd he blew up from the inside. His "Jonah and the whale" bit.
Wonder Woman's sword might be able to damage them, but using Iron Man as a reference doesn't prove much.
And how many can she take before she starts wearing down? As I already pointed out, the only reason the invasion stopped is because Tony shoved a nuke through the portal.
Well cut through an amped doomsday, I wager it can cut through a leviathan. Running out of power before, doesn't mean, it can't. It would just take longer then he had power for. Even if she didn't attack the armor directly, there are other ways to take them down as we saw. I didn't see any signs of fatigue from her even when facing Ares, I don't really know how many she could take down, its rather ambiguous.
Originally posted by relentless1
yes I'm just referring to the Amazons taking on the foot soldiers but nothing was said of Wonder Woman not being available in the OP so she can take out the Leviathans, and the Amazons are much more skilled than Widow, they took on a platoon with guns almost effortlessly with ancient weaponry; the only reason they suffered any losses at all were ignorance: its clear that they didn't even know what guns were judging by the surprised looks when one of their number was dropped by a bullet; after that point they were skilled enough to dodge and destroy; Antiope died only because Diana dropped her guard like an idiot and she had to save her.
By feats BW is actually more skilled than the vast majority of the Amazons. and there is no way that WW is going to be able to handle all the fliers and leviathans by herself.
Edit: That is if she even counts, because per the movies, she's not allowed to return.
Originally posted by FrothByte
How exactly is WW going to take down a Leviathan? The only person we know of who took down a leviathan singlehandedly was Thor, and WW does not have the destructive output of Thor.She can probably stab one, but I don't think her sword is long enough to cause a deep enough wound to kill a leviathan.
True, given their size, it'd be like us being stabbed by a tack
Originally posted by FrothByte
How exactly is WW going to take down a Leviathan? The only person we know of who took down a leviathan singlehandedly was Thor, and WW does not have the destructive output of Thor.She can probably stab one, but I don't think her sword is long enough to cause a deep enough wound to kill a leviathan.
It doesn't have to be longer then it is, stacked with her strength and speed, she could literally run or fly around like a in circles inside or out of it cutting deeper and deeper at super speed with super strength.
@ Sable (Sorry, the quote function is being a b**** again)
Using the Doomsday feat is a better example. But she'd also have to do so while avoiding all the fliers and ground troop fire. And the point is we cannot assume that she could deal with all of them before eventually beginning to tire, or end up in a similar pinned down position to the Hulk. Because the one warrior causing a lot more damage to their forces than all the rest is likely going to attract attention.
And if his suit at the time ran out of power before managing it then, for intents and purposes of a fight, it couldn't, as it would stop functioning in said fight before achieving the desired effect.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
@ Sable (Sorry, the quote function is being a b**** again)Using the Doomsday feat is a better example. But she'd also have to do so while avoiding all the fliers and ground troop fire. And the point is we cannot assume that she could deal with all of them before eventually beginning to tire, or end up in a similar pinned down position to the Hulk. Because the one warrior causing a lot more damage to their forces than all the rest is likely going to attract attention.
And if his suit at the time ran out of power before managing it then, for intents and purposes of a fight, it couldn't, as it would stop functioning in said fight before achieving the desired effect.
Yes Tony's suit couldn't cause he is basically battery powered. He power doesn't run out as she's a god. As far as the rest, I don't see those flyers as anything more then nuisances because they were being taken out by arrows.
Originally posted by Sable
Yes Tony's suit couldn't cause he is basically battery powered. He power doesn't run out as she's a god. As far as the rest, I don't see those flyers as anything more then nuisances because they were being taken out by arrows.
Since when does being a god mean you have infinite energy levels? Do you have any actual proof that she can't get tired? And Hawkeye either shot the actual pilots, or used explosive arrows. Amazons don't have explosive arrows, and none of them have feats that put them even remotely on the same level as Clint in terms of marksmanship. And those same fliers managed to pin down the Hulk.