Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
When did he flip an APC? I recall him lifting it enough to get out from underneath, after Rictor flipped it onto him, but I don't remember X-24 himself doing any APC flipping.
That's what I meant. He was pinned underneath it, and with what seemed to be one hand, pushed it up off himself enough to get free. That's at least easily within the Cap/Bucky range.
Well, we know Bucky's metal arm can overpower both Steve's arms (even while Steve is standing with his body fully braced) and, as per the Russos themselves (as stated in TWS Director's Commentary), they are otherwise comparable.
Originally posted by KingD19
That's what I meant. He was pinned underneath it, and with what seemed to be one hand, pushed it up off himself enough to get free. That's at least easily within the Cap/Bucky range.
How do you know it was one hand? You can't even see him when the one side of the truck lifts. He might have been using both arms, and straining to his limits. It's a good feat for sure, and does put him in the super soldier ballpark, but you're making it out to be more than it was.
Also, on a random note, I did some digging around with regards to Cap's strength feats a few days ago. Turns out the helicopter isn't his best, or even close to his best. Turns out the log split from AoU is actually better. Apparently, the machines built to split similar size logs in a similar manner are built to exert between 7 and 10 tons of force, to do the job properly. That being said, we don't actually know what type of wood that was. That massively affects how much force would be required.
^ I was just about to bring up the "splitting" log in the other thread.
Also I'm pretty sure punching through the submarine from Cap1 is more impressive than the helicopter feat. Although technically that's a striking feat.
Cap with his Shield will put any live action version of Wolverine down pretty easily. Even without his Shield I think he had the strength to KO him, and the speed/combat feats to avoid his claws.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ I was just about to bring up the "splitting" log in the other thread.Also I'm pretty sure punching through the submarine from Cap1 is more impressive than the helicopter feat. Although technically that's a striking feat.
Cap with his Shield will put any live action version of Wolverine down pretty easily. Even without his Shield I think he had the strength to KO him, and the speed/combat feats to avoid his claws.
Well, I don't really know how logging machines work, so I don't know if they really do require that level of force to do it, or if it's kind of a "better safe than sorry" scenario, where they make it much stronger than it needs to be to ensure success.
Cap apparently did this faster than Deathlok, according to the SHIELD instructor standing by. But I still find this suspect, as it is well above even Steve's best feats in the films, seeing as one of those apparently weighs around 50 tons. I mean he is definitely in the multi-ton range, but he shows visible strain with his higher end stuff. Pushing a 50+ ton bulldozer across a field in under 15 seconds seems a bit fishy to me:
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ If you were Riot-Gear you'd speculate to the maximum with that log ripping feat.Well if Deathlok can do it I don't see why not? AOS tends to give the movie characters better feats. Remember Sif tossing around massive trucks?
I don't recall her throwing a truck, but I do remember her kicking an RV a couple dozen feet.
But the reason I have an issue with it is because of how wildly inconsistent it is with all the film showings. Steve's higher end showings aren't anywhere near the 50 ton range, and he has to visibly exert himself doing them. And then it also means that Bucky's metal arm is way stronger than it is depicted as in the films, seeing as he slammed Cap through a pair of elevator doors despite Cap standing with his legs braced and pushing back with both arms. For that matter, the initial punch Cap dodged shouldn't simply have dented the elevator door behind him, but knocked the whole thing loose. So, I personally take the bulldozer feat with a grain of salt, but whatever.
With shield, Cap should win, as long as he doesn't get careless. Without shield, Cap still has the capacity to win but it will be very dangerous for him.
Cap should have enough strength to knockout X24 and should have a massive skill advantage that will allow him to avoid the claws. That said, it can easily go south for him if he's not careful.
Originally posted by FrothByteCame to say this exactly. A good stab will put Cap out.
With shield, Cap should win, as long as he doesn't get careless. Without shield, Cap still has the capacity to win but it will be very dangerous for him.Cap should have enough strength to knockout X24 and should have a massive skill advantage that will allow him to avoid the claws. That said, it can easily go south for him if he's not careful.
That said, I don't see X-24 ever getting that stab in. X-23 seemed to stomp the hell out of him when they fought in the last scene, and she's no Cap. No one that X-24 fought in that movie is anywhere near Cap.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Came to say this exactly. A good stab will put Cap out.That said, I don't see X-24 ever getting that stab in. X-23 seemed to stomp the hell out of him when they fought in the last scene, and she's no Cap. No one that X-24 fought in that movie is anywhere near Cap.
It's no secret that Wolverine has never been considered incredibly skilled, and yet he was beating X24 to the punch (slash) almost every single time. The only reason X24 was giving him a hard time was due to better healing and higher strength. But if Wolverine is a brawler and he's still more skilled, then Cap should be way above X24 in skill.
Despite having a significant skill edge and probably a physical edge as well, X-24's healing, durability, and claws should eventually prevail most if not all of the time. Though his healing wasn't on the level of prime Wolverine's, so it COULD leave him vulnerable to being KO'd or incapacitated with enough shield strikes.