Originally posted by Silent Master
Bulldozers come in different sizes, you're talking about ones that are much smaller than the ones in the picture and you keep ignoring that the Leviathan was armored.
Originally posted by h1a8
Average weight of Bulldozers weight about 10-15 tons. These are facts.If a human man was made of solid steel then guess who much he would weigh? He would weigh nearly 8 times more. So a 250lb person would weight a ton. Flesh, liquid blood, etc. is less dense than steel.
You can't compare a bulldozer to a creature made of flesh and liquid blood.
There are also bulldozers that weigh over a 100 tons. What the average bulldozer weighs is completely irrelevant. The lowest listed weight I could find for that specific model is just over 44 tons. The manufacturer specs state that it's heavier. I gave you the model name. Go research it for yourself if you don't believe me.
Also, the Leviathan was not simply flesh and blood. It was covered from head to tail in armour plating. This is very clearly evident when watching the film. Also, you literally have zero proof that its flesh and bone density is of comparable consistency to that of a human, especially considering it's a giant alien.
Here is a link from the actual company page:
They put the number between about 45 and 53 tons.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You're just making up numbers, nobody believes you.
Well, I just linked a page from the company who actually manufactures the thing, which is pretty hard to discredit. Also, notice how he tries to shift from mass to volume now, and then throws out some random meaningless number (considering not all armours are made of the same material or provide the same degree of body coverage). For example, a full set of tempered steel plate armour might not take up a large amount of space in terms of total volume, but it can weigh between 33lbs and 55lbs, which would make up quit a bit more than 5% of the knight wearing it's total weight, unless their total weight was between 660lbs and 1100lbs.
Originally posted by h1a8
Average weight of Bulldozers weight about 10-15 tons. These are facts.If a human man was made of solid steel then guess who much he would weigh? He would weigh nearly 8 times more. So a 250lb person would weight a ton. Flesh, liquid blood, etc. is less dense than steel.
You can't compare a bulldozer to a creature made of flesh and liquid blood.It must be to you, you didn't answer the question.
How much does colossus weight?
Or The Destroyer
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
There are also bulldozers that weigh over a 100 tons. What the average bulldozer weighs is completely irrelevant. The [B]lowest listed weight I could find for that specific model is just over 44 tons. The manufacturer specs state that it's heavier. I gave you the model name. Go research it for yourself if you don't believe me.Also, the Leviathan was not simply flesh and blood. It was covered from head to tail in armour plating. This is very clearly evident when watching the film. Also, you literally have zero proof that its flesh and bone density is of comparable consistency to that of a human, especially considering it's a giant alien.
Here is a link from the actual company page:
They put the number between about 45 and 53 tons. [/B]
You are confusing 45000 lbs with 45 tons. It was over 90% flesh and blood. The armor was very thin and lightweight and malleable.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerI'm referring to volume, not weight.
Well, I just linked a page from the company who actually manufactures the thing, which is pretty hard to discredit. Also, notice how he tries to shift from mass to volume now, and then throws out some random meaningless number (considering not all armours are made of the same material or provide the same degree of body coverage). For example, a full set of tempered steel plate armour might not take up a large amount of space in terms of total volume, but it can weigh between 33lbs and 55lbs, which would make up quit a bit more than 5% of the knight wearing it's total weight, unless their total weight was between 660lbs and 1100lbs.
Originally posted by h1a8
You are confusing 45000 lbs with 45 tons. It was over 90% flesh and blood. The armor was very thin and lightweight and malleable.
You either can't read or you are straight up trolling now. It literally says kg, or kilograms on the page. When sites list its weight in lbs, the number is between roughly 99k and 116k.
And you are making up nonsense with regards to the Leviathan. If the armour was as thin, malleable and lightweight as you are claiming, it wouldn't allow the thing to go plowing through buildings without taking damage or even losing momentum, or shrug off Iron Man's lasers with virtually no visible damage. Iron Man has one-shotted tanks with his missiles, but had to have Hulk knock some of the armour loose before he could damage the Leviathan.
So, good job. You've proven that you are not even remotely trustworthy as far as this discussion goes.
Originally posted by h1a8
I'm referring to volume, not weight.
Which, like I said, is irrelevant, as volume and weight does not directly correlate.
Originally posted by h1a8
You are confusing 45000 lbs with 45 tons. It was over 90% flesh and blood. The armor was very thin and lightweight and malleable.
It says 45,220 - 53,590 kg that is 99,693 - 118,146 lbs, otherwise known as 49 to 59 tons. Like I said, you just make things up as you go and have almost zero knowledge about anything.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellermy mistake. That model is probably 50tons. I was considering lower models.
You either can't read or you are straight up trolling now. It literally says kg, or kilograms on the page. When sites list its weight in lbs, the number is between roughly 99k and 116k.And you are making up nonsense with regards to the Leviathan. If the armour was as thin, malleable and lightweight as you are claiming, it wouldn't allow the thing to go plowing through buildings without taking damage or even losing momentum, or shrug off Iron Man's lasers with virtually no visible damage. Iron Man has one-shotted tanks with his missiles, but had to have Hulk knock some of the armour loose before he could damage the Leviathan.
So, good job. You've proven that you are not even remotely trustworthy as far as this discussion goes.
Which, like I said, is irrelevant, as volume and weight does not directly correlate.
There are several scenes where the armor is easily bent, damaged, or torn off. And durability has nothing to do with weight. Titanium is stronger than steel and weighs less.
IM in the first movie >>>>>> IM in any avengers movie.
Feats don't prove feats.
Originally posted by h1a8
my mistake. So you are confusing operating weight with the actual weight of one. There are several scenes where the armor is easily bent, damaged, or torn off. And durability has nothing to do with weight. Titanium is stronger than steel and weighs less.
IM in the first movie >>>>>> IM in any avengers movie.
Feats don't prove feats.
All operating weigh adds is the fuel, other fluids and the driver. Which is a relatively negligible amount overall.
Here are the fluid specs, taken out of a manual for the thing:
Fuel tank
860 l
(189.2 gallons)
Cooling system
85 l
(18.7 gallons)
Engine oil with oil filters
70 l
(15.4 gallons)
Splitter box
6.4 l
(1.4 gallons)
Hydraulic tank
281 l
(61.8 gallons)
Final drive, each
22.5 l
(4.9 gallons)
That + driver weight only adds up to a fraction of the overall listed weight.
Post those scenes where the armour is easily bent, damaged or torn off. And more excuses to favour your argument I see.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Post the scenes where the armor is easily bent, damaged, or torn off.BTW, for your sake I hope the scenes don't involve Thor or the Hulk. because that would just make you look silly.
He literally has zero proof that it was light either. He is just making that up to suit his argument. Which is laughable, considering how the movie specifically portrayed them to above the paygrade of all the Avengers except Thor and Hulk, with the exception of Iron Man getting inventive and flying into the mouth of one.
Also, his steel/titanium argument doesn't work either, because if the Leviathan was simply tough but lacked mass, it wouldn't have been able to plow through buildings as easily as it did. It would have bounced/deflected off things. The things weren't traveling that fast, yet were still easily smashing through everything in their path, which suggests considerable mass.