Moral Compass of Atheists

Started by Surtur4 pages

Dooku didn't even seem like a sociopath. He was evil, but that's not the same as being a sociopath.

The Emperor seems to truly enjoy evil for the sake of evil, so he seems to genuinely be enjoying himself and cackling and all that shit. So he's just a psychopathic dictator.

I think of sociopaths as having zero emotion. In fact, since being a sith is about embracing passion, anger, etc. it doesn't sound like someone who is emotionally cold would be well suited for that.

I suppose there could be some comics or books where Dooku does display this behavior, but just going by the movies and cartoons he does not.

Can we stay on topic please guys?

Originally posted by Petrus
Can we stay on topic please guys?

Originally posted by Surtur
The Emperor seems to truly enjoy evil for the sake of evil, so he seems to genuinely be enjoying himself and cackling and all that shit. So he's just a psychopathic dictator.
No way, man. Palpatine wanted peace, and political harmony. His 'campaign' against the Trade Federation only proved to show how disorganised galactic politics truly were. The Jedi order were dogmatic and stubborn brainwashers. Palpatine had fun getting rid of them, but only had as much fun as you'd have getting rid of SJWs – he knew that the end result was ultimately worth it. The only result that would work was to get rid of the Jedi and make the galaxy get along under a single-party rule.

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Well Palpatine did want a Leftist Government.

Just like EMPEROR OBAMA!!!!!!

Originally posted by Kurk
While I did retain most of my morality at first simply because I was used to it, I'm 18 now and can safely say that I'm a borderline sociopath (Like Dooku for you SW users 😉 ).
Ah, I remember the "I'm a sociopath" phase I went through from about 17-20 or so. Fun times.

Originally posted by Surtur

I think of sociopaths as having zero emotion.
That's because you don't know what they are then, lol.

It is fairly accurate to say a sociopath does not have the full range of human emotions, but they aren't utterly lacking them.

Palpatine, for example, is certainly a sociopath, if something of a caricature of one. A popular film that stars a relatively realistic portrayal of a sociopath would be American Psycho.

Originally posted by NemeBro
That's because you don't know what they are then, lol.

It is fairly accurate to say a sociopath does not have the full range of human emotions, but they aren't utterly lacking them.

Palpatine, for example, is certainly a sociopath, if something of a caricature of one. A popular film that stars a relatively realistic portrayal of a sociopath would be American Psycho.

Sociopaths have emotions, they just do not care that you have them too.

That's a good way of putting it. 👆

I'm glad we now have a clear cut definition of what a sociopath is, in the past I'd thought we did not, I'm glad to know that has changed and it's not about mere opinion anymore.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm glad we now have a clear cut definition of what a sociopath is, in the past I'd thought we did not, I'm glad to know that has changed and it's not about mere opinion anymore.
There's been a fairly exhaustive list of diagnostic criteria required to be a sociopath (or, more accurately, to have antisocial personality disorder) for many years now lad.

Could we get back to topic?

Re: Moral Compass of Atheists

Can't believe I missed this thread, I love these sorts of questions.

Now, to memory, all these people didn't believe in an afterlife or a soul. Essentially completely in disbelief of the supernatural. So if I put myself in the shoes of someone with those belief's I come up with this scenario: If there is no God, no Hell, and no Heaven, or even any form of life after I die, what is the point of having any form of moral compass? I can do whatever I want as long as it benefits me more then it harms me throughout my life, since after I die I won't have to worry about anything.

Technically speaking, you're not wrong. However, although I can tell you're trying to understand the atheist mindset, you're running into trouble because your latent (presumably Christian) approach to the matter is backwards of ours.

The way I see it, the question you're asking boils down to something very similar to the popular Christian question, "how could everything have fallen perfectly into place to form this beautiful world by chance?"

Technically speaking, the earth and everything on it did fall into place by chance, but that's a backwards way of looking at it. It would be more accurate to say, "If everything didn't fall into place that way, the earth wouldn't exist as it does--it would simply be different." The reason this concept is hard for Christians to grasp is because they're hardwired to see life and such as what everything happened to produce rather than what was produced by everything that happened.

Our difference in perspective is similar in regards to morality, if that makes sense. From an atheistic perspective, morality forms around a common interest in cohesive society. From a Christian perspective, cohesive society forms around a common sense of morality.

There is also the fact that with these same belief that there is no afterlife, suicide is an extremely appealing option for people of high stress levels and depression.

It sure is. That's probably the reason they made sure to threaten eternal torture for doing it in the Bible.

I simply do not understand where a moral compass is if an individual does not believe in an afterlife of one form or another. So for any in that situation please enlighten me to your reasoning. And even if you aren't in that same situation, if you think you figured out their reasoning, please tell me anyway. Could be useful for an extra view.

Here's your answer: It's no different than where yours comes from. You claim your sense of morality is largely based on how you will be rewarded or punished when you die; in other words, doesn't it all come back to self-interest whether you believe in an afterlife or not?

I don't see how it could be hard to "understand the Atheist Mindset" I mean they literally Got Nuthin!!!!!!

Re: Re: Moral Compass of Atheists

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Can't believe I missed this thread, I love these sorts of questions.

You know he's trolling right... every post in this thread is copied from some guy on CV. He planned and stated this in the battlebar.

Well, that's disappointing. No, I only check the BB occasionally.

Let me make something clear...

Morality in THIS LIFE (which is all we can assume exists) should NOT be affected by imaginary notions of life after this one. It's as simple as that.

Because if Muslims are correct about getting 72 virgins in paradise when they blow up innocent people, then they are doing good. That's GOOD morality in their worldview.

But in a proper view of morality, that causes suffering, so it's wrong.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
maybe we can invent rules that have nothing to do with a threat of punishment from some parental sky fairy.

That's crazy talk. Parental sky fairies are needed for proper morality. Duh.

My favorite part is when the sky fairies destroy cities and flood planets. Sometimes you just gotta wipe that slate clean and start over.

Just kidding, it was aliens in the past who flooded the planet. Noah's ark contained every animal because it merely contained DNA samples of every animal, that is how they fit them all, and Noah himself was part alien.

I learned all that on the History Channel 👆

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Let me make something clear...

Morality in THIS LIFE (which is all we can assume exists) should NOT be affected by imaginary notions of life after this one. It's as simple as that.

Because if Muslims are correct about getting 72 virgins in paradise when they blow up innocent people, then they are doing good. That's GOOD morality in their worldview.

But in a proper view of morality, that causes suffering, so it's wrong.

But with out something actually backing it up that is beyond the Human Element that just makes Morality and whatnot just a Matter of Opinion.
So why should anyone else care what Your Opinion is?