Beniboybling
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Originally posted by SunRazer
1. Obviously Palpatine was still faster. He cuts down Kolar before Mace can intervene (that's not to say Mace couldn't react as the film clearly shows he could), then spins [b]away from Mace to stab Tiin, and Mace was obviously helpless to stop that (the novel version and Agen and Saesee coming forward so they were more prone and Mace couldn't protect them there either). In the film, you clearly see Mace changing his stance before Sidious even manages the first strike. He wasn't unable to react. 👆 And given that in the film he retreats slightly, not to mention not expecting Palpatine's sheer speed/ferocity (hence the hyperbole for him "not realizing what was happening"😉, he wasn't able to stop Agen's death. And again even if he moved forwards upon Agen's death, Sidious was spinning away from him to strike Tiin, which he obviously couldn't stop. It's not irreconcilable. [/b]
Not sure what source you're referring to exactly. I assume the movie. But as I said in the film he does nothing. Yes he enters a ready stance before Sidious attacks, but that only makes his subsequent lack of reaction more damning.
To be clear what I'm saying here is that while Kolar and Tinn are being cut down, he doesn't appear to move on Sidious at all, only reacting when Sidious comes for him. And there is a big difference between failing to intercept his opponent and failing to respond at all.
This corroborating with tertiary sources.
2. I didn't say he'd do better. I said he can do something similar; i.e. compete. Which he can, per Word of God. Although him being on the border rather than just an 8 like Dooku makes it entirely possible that he would do better.
I wouldn't call that competing, not at least according to secondary sources. To compete is to suggest a level of rivalry or parity between the two. But Sidious is far ahead.
Originally posted by SunRazer
3. You gave a rationale for him not normally being a 9, which I played along with. You've said nothing in relation to him being on the border, though.
That rationale being Gillard's yes. I'm sure you can find the interview. And being on the border I assume is in relation to his ability to switch. But being on the border isn't much anyway, as we know there are huge differences between tiers.
As for the Yoda quotes, I'll get them for you eventually, but I won't be around for a couple of days. You can ask Ant or someone else in the meantime.
Are you referring to the quotes from the Fact Files?