Experience matters, but there's a ceiling.
Look at a sport like, say, tennis, and Roger Federer now isn't exactly blowing past the Roger Federer in his early 20's. Part of that is just age, but there's also factors like simply getting stale.. You fall into habits and don't really learn like you used to (Some older folks CAN change things up and learn, but most don't, and even can't because of entrenched thinking..)
Originally posted by riv6672Ra's Al Ghul's has more experience than Batman, but he gets his ass handed to him almost every time. Thor has more experience than the hulk, but he still lose more often than not. Experience only ever means something when you can capitalize on it and hawkman hasn't had the experience of fighting a crazed centuries old assassin with a massive healing factor, claws that can cut through metal, durability that let's him take hits from a guy whose entire body is covered in metal, and is a skilled enough martial artist and soldier that he can present a challenge to another centuries old living weapon.
Dunno about 'better', but experience is a big factor in a fight, period.
Originally posted by deathslash
Ra's Al Ghul's has more experience than Batman, but he gets his ass handed to him almost every time. Thor has more experience than the hulk, but he still lose more often than not. Experience only ever means something when you can capitalize on it and hawkman hasn't had the experience of fighting a crazed centuries old assassin with a massive healing factor, claws that can cut through metal, durability that let's him take hits from a guy whose entire body is covered in metal, and is a skilled enough martial artist and soldier that he can present a challenge to another centuries old living weapon.
Yes, but most of those are normally examples of a "IS" coming into effect. Be it a C,P or some other IS.
Originally posted by Cogitotry substituting black Adam and Superman with deathstroke and then we'd have his average.
First, nobody said experience was the determining factor. People need to get off that train.Second, you just described Hawkman. Except you should substitute "centuries" with "millennia". And substitute "guy whose body is covered in metal" with "Superman" or "Black Adam"
Originally posted by Flyattractorsuch as?
[b]Yes, but most of those are normally examples of a "IS" coming into effect. Be it a C,P or some other IS. [/B]
Originally posted by Cogito
Meant movement/flight speed, not pure combat speed.Experience? Yes. He's thousands of years old and has been fighting damn near the whole time.
Strength is arguable, because they're both vague. I think Beatboks' 2-3 ton range for Hawkman is quite low, he's probably closer to 10. Tooth ranges a lot, I guess maybe he could be above that these days 😬
But I have a lot of confidence in Hawkman's durability (he's routinely taken hits from heralds and kept going) and the mace (which give him a range advantage and has hurt heralds)
Tbe only feats Hawk has that could be stated as above the 3 tons are carrying things flying. His nth negates gravkty and makes itno longer a strength feat. When you look atwhat he has actually lifted purely with strength there is nothing o er 3 tonns.
Likewise you cant count striking feats with say Nth weapons. Nth increases the striking calability (ah la the claw of horus strikes with the force of a planet which is purenth and mkst his other weapons are only 5% laced with Nth like his mace)). We know he doesnt have the strength to move a planet so its the potential of the metal)
Just saying becajse in a fight Id5see tooth disarmkng him pretty quickly the same way Aquaman did in their fight.especially once he feels the force of one of tbose blows (and I dont necessarily mean by being directly strjck by it but feeling its force strike near)
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Any time he actually shows that?No?
I didn't think so.
Almost his entire classic JSA appearances show him as tactical because of his centuries of combat experience.
The latest merger of Karter and Carter however not so much as he's becomenmore like a hot heat war hound who fights first and asks questions later. This was shown innthe Gog arc whennhe was just gung ho and by the fact that Jay asked him tontake a step back whennhr briefly took over the reigns from a missing Powergirl.
Originally posted by deathslash
Ra's Al Ghul's has more experience than Batman, but he gets his ass handed to him almost every time. Thor has more experience than the hulk, but he still lose more often than not. Experience only ever means something when you can capitalize on it ....