How bad of a combatant is Valkorion?

Started by Beniboybling3 pages

Originally posted by Unbowed
Maybe call your little buddy Tempest in for backup...
To what end friend? It only takes one set of eyes to watch you continue making a clown of yourself. 😂

Originally posted by SunRazer
There was nothing perfectly executed about the Strike Team fight, lmao. He had ample time to gather his powers and was able to stand from afar in complete safety and assail them with a Storm. The outcome was entirely a product of his far greater Force power; nothing to do with his combative talent at all.

Jedi also had same amount of time to gather their powers and/or plan their moves so this is lame point.

Tenebrae decided to hit first and forced all of the Jedi to defend themselves. By doing that, he trapped the Jedi in the web of his overwhelming power, denying them an opportunity to reorganize and go on the offensive. This is combative talent at display.

What if the Jedi had attacked first?

An army on the move sets the momentum of battle, right?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What if the Jedi struck first?
He prolly would have died. 🙁

Originally posted by Beniboybling
He prolly would have died. 🙁

Perhaps.

Haven't read the first three pages. My thoughts:

Despite Vitiate's portrayed stupidity in the Revan novel and SWTOR vanilla, I imagine he's solid.

He trained under Marka Ragnos, who is hyped as the greatest Sith juggernaut of the ancients.

The lightsaber techniques of the Eternal Empire must have also came from Vitiate's own knowledge.

Frankly though, he's never needed to use a lightsaber except in the two cases where he was weakened - Kaas and Ziost.

He lost to the Hero both times, but the Hero's the greatest combatant of the age, so that's not necessarily a dishonor.

Trained under Ragnos? More fanon I presume.

And their knowledge of lightsaber techniques could have come from a number of sources. 😬

SoR revealed Ragnos was Vitiate's master. 👆

We've even had numerous threads on this, kek.

Uhuh, I was asking for proof that he trained him, in lightsaber combat specifically.

If Vitiate had a master, that means he was trained. Obviously I'm guessing lightsaber combat was included given how important such combat was to Ragnos. I see no reason why Vitiate would not have been trained in it.

No that's your assumption. And it contradicts previous accounts that state after being given the title of Lord, he returned to Medriaas to study the dark side in private.

And yeah you're guessing. Even if we assumed he received some form of training. We don't know what form it took, and lightsaber combat being important to Ragnos doesn't preclude that being the same for Vitiate, which clearly wasn't the case.

Lmfao what. Ragnos being Vitiate's master means he taught him. How thick are you. The Medriaas account was just Nyriss' theory, IIRC.

Yeah, I'm allowed to guess, lmfao. A lot of what we know on the ancients are based on guessing.

IMO, Ragnos trained Vitiate in saber combat. 👆 Believe it or not, IDC.

No it doesn't dear, Baras and Zash acted as the player's master yet taught you shit. Vader and Dooku were apprenticed to Sidious yet their training amounted to little more than a library card to the Sith Archives. Frankly Vitiate merely answering to Ragnos as his foremost superior would fulfill the requirement of "master". The idea that Ragnos made Vitiate an atypical RoT style apprentice being a flimsy assumption, nothing more, and one that fails to align with preexisting evidence in addition.

But sure, you're entitled to your own fanon, as long as you're aware it's conjecture. 👆

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Jedi also had same amount of time to gather their powers and/or plan their moves so this is lame point.

Tenebrae decided to hit first and forced all of the Jedi to defend themselves. By doing that, he trapped the Jedi in the web of his overwhelming power, denying them an opportunity to reorganize and go on the offensive. This is combative talent at display.

What if the Jedi had attacked first?

An army on the move sets the momentum of battle, right?

Uhm, Vitiate had all of the time the HoT spent fighting Scourge (and the time the other Jedi spent regrouping with HoT) to gather his powers, lol. It also took place right over DK, on his home turf. He had all the advantages coming into the fight. It was on his terms.

He's trash tier.