Originally posted by Emperordmb
Seems Adam doesn't have an answer for me. He sees me being pro-life (one issue) and holding a contempt for SJWs (for the quite frankly illiberal ideology they hold and spread, and the damage they do to the left's reputation and policy) and assumes I must be a conservative.
No, I see you using the label "liberal" as a shield to deflect criticism for your regressive views from actual liberals.
"You cannot call me a closed-minded bigot for being against abortion, Feminism, fill-in-the-blank, because I am a liberal!"
Meanwhile, you jump to the defense of every backwards, regressive thing Sutur commits to a post.
Nobody is buying what you are selling.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
You know we can see your posts in this thread, right? Take a look at what you are defending here, and then tell us all how liberal you are again.
My disdain for constantly seeing Robtard start the same arguments with Surtur over and over again every time he posts has nothing to do with my stances on the French elections or Hillary Clinton. I don't like Clinton for the record, I think she's ****ing awful, but I still would've preferred her to Trump and actually sprinted two miles just to vote before the voting booth closed.
And I never claimed to be far left, I'm moderately left wing.
Let's run through my stances.
Abortion: conservative- I don't think a woman's right to choose extends to terminating the existence of a human life she is responsible for the condition of quite frankly. I do think the man should have to pay child support since they should both take responsibility for their actions, but I find it a weird double standard.
Affirmative action: conservative- I view affirmative action as racist and oppose it, and so should anyone who claims to stand against racism.
Criminal Justice: liberal- I believe the criminal justice system should be more focused around punishment than rehabilitation, and I believe privately owned prisons should be abolished since profiting off of human imprisonment is unethical and creates a lobby for harsher sentences and more laws interfering negatively in people's social lives.
Death Penalty: Liberal- I oppose the death penalty. It's revenge and not justice, robs people of the opportunity for personal growth, atonement, and redemption, etc. My only slight trepidation on this is pondering if the death penalty is truly crueler than a life sentence.
Drugs: liberal- I support the legalization of marijuana (and psychedelics for that matter) and think laws based around drugs should be revised to be less draconian and more focused around rehabilitation than punishment.
Economics/Welfare/Healthcare: Centrist- I'm generally a centrist. I believe in the free market and that capitalism makes the economy run more smoothly, however I believe in progressive income taxes, and don't believe our system should leave behind those that fail to find success, particularly the children of those people. Healthcare in the case of necessary life threatening medical procedures should be available to all, and it should be more affordable and available.
Education: Liberal- I think more funding should go into education, and I believe steps should be taken to ensure higher education is more affordable and available. I believe much more in the principle of equality of opportunity than equality of outcome, and while I generally don't take claims of inequality and privilege that seriously, I recognize that its very serious when referring to the economic class one is born in, and think making education a more available opportunity would be a force for equalizing opportunity and leading to a generally more well-informed and intelligent society and workforce.
Energy: Liberal- I think more money should be put into developing alternative cleaner sources of energy.
Environment: Liberal- I believe global warming is a thing and that environmental regulation to protect our environment and planet is necessary.
Foreign policy/war and peace: Conservative- I believe the US has an obligation to use its strength as a world power for the greater good in global affairs when necessary, and that it is important that the US remain the dominant world power. At the same time I think US interventionism certainly goes too far quite a bit, such as in the Iraq war.
Government reform: Liberal- I believe the electoral college is outdated and should be abolished, the influence of lobbyists in government should be cut, and the influence of money in elections should also be limited. And yes voter registration should be easier.
Gun control: Centrist- I don't believe guns or groups of guns should be banned, but I absolutely support increased and universal background checks.
Homeland security: Liberal- I generally don't have a favorable view of the patriot act and believe that out of fear following 9/11 we sacrificed too many of our freedoms in the name of security.
Immigration: Centrist- I think the immigration process should be made easier. I think Trump's wall is retarded. I don't support illegal immigration or the idea that illegal immigrants should be given amnesty or government aid. And I support our pre-Trump level of scrutiny when dealing with immigrants from countries with risk of terrorism, have found our screening effective, don't think we need to tighten things up with a travel ban which would be cruel to the refugees, but also don't think our immigration policy should take after the one adopted by most of Europe because that clearly isn't doing them any favors.
Religion: Centrist- I think religion should stay out of government and the public sector and shouldn't interfere with the government, but also that the government shouldn't interfere with religious liberty in the private sector, if a religious bakery doesn't want to cater to a gay wedding that's not the government's business.
Same sex marriage: Liberal- I fully support same sex marriage, and LGBT right in general.
Terrorism: Conservative- Islamic terrorism is much more the fault of ideological opposition to western values than as a response to US foreign policy. Case in point: Europe.
Current administration: Liberal- I don't like Trump, I voted Hillary as the lesser of two evils, I hold a serious contempt for the Trump administration and think almost his entire cabinet is shit
The only policy position you've actually discussed with me is abortion, and aside from that you've only seen me talk negatively about SJWs, which is due to my belief that SJWs despite being on the left don't uphold and support liberal values, and rather uphold bigoted, controlling, and ideologically contradictory stances, and refuse to have honest and open discussion about certain issues without censorship or the need for buzzwords, and because I think the regressive left does a serious disservice to the left by infecting our policies and making us less palatable to the public, which is I think a huge reason for the overwhelming surge of conservative victories in the US and UK.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
No, I see you using the label "liberal" as a shield to deflect criticism for your regressive views from actual liberals.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
"You cannot call me a closed-minded bigot for being against abortion, Feminism, fill-in-the-blank, because I am a liberal!"
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Meanwhile, you jump to the defense of every backwards, regressive thing Sutur commits to a post.
If you've noticed I could care less about standing alongside him when he defends/deflects from Trump because I, believe it or not, do not support Trump at all, and I'm very dissatisfied with his administration.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Nobody is buying what you are selling.
As a side note, apologies to you Robtard. Though we find disagreement on SJWs and abortion, on the subject of abortion I found I could actually have a reasonable civil discussion with you, and that you were capable of disagreeing with me in a civil manner without calling me a bigot for holding disagreements with you.
I'll leave you and Surtur to your business, and only pipe up in a civil manner when I see an ideological stance I disagree with, and if I ever post in an uncivil manner towards you again please point it out to me. Ever since October I've made it a moral goal of mine to not be a dick to people, and I feel like I've slipped up somewhat from that goal and would like to recommit myself to it.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/france2017
Where Macron, Le Pen and the rest fall on the political compass, interesting stuff.