Originally posted by deathslashDaredevil or Punisher both with feats of fighting a handful of guys in a hallway for almost 3 minutes up to almost 6, looking exhausted and taking damage = Batman railroading a dozen armed guys in under 30 seconds and walking away like it was easy several times?
gets wrecked by the joker with three Rottweilers
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=arXHSWuJMI0Takes out three goons before getting laid out by the fourth. Notice how joker could've just shot him instead of going for Rachael.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhSqGupieog"Clearly meta." Gets knocked unconscious by crashing a motorcycle even when he has armor on.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mKl11EzMTAEGets wrecked by bane (a character with a high level of pain tolerance and debatable skill)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rDuetklFtDQMeanwhile, Matt while half dead and horribly injured still takes out between 6-8 armed thugs while getting hit very few times.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B66feInucFYDaredevil fights and beats four trained hand ninjas who were masking their noises. Matt was essentially fighting blind and still owned them when he got the hang of it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JnVz5kbXOJAAn injured daredevil takes out two dozen armed bikers.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0CvkiPS5KsHe and elektra (who is inferior to him in h2h ) beat nobu (an actual meta) and the dozen other hand ninjas that he brought with him.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yc96eJMEBIIMatt still got the shit kicked out of him by Frank. Note how Matt gets the drop on him twice.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KLjHNJ0tyiYMatt gets the drop on him again. Frank falls several feet off of the water tower, lands on his back, falls a few more feet, landing on his face, gets back up, and proceeds to evenly fight Matt while bullets are narrowly missing him. (Unlike Batman, Frank didn't have the luxury of wearing armor for this feat.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kN59PQvvWQEBeats down nine prisoners (most of whom were armed) and the only points in time that he didn't seem to be in control was when he was stabbed in the arm and when one prisoner blindsided him when he was dealing with another.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M8AvWkrppsgEven after being injured, he evenly fights the kingpin. Notice that he's chained and can't fight properly.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vyqXwlkBjpAAfter being tortured, he escapes kills three gangsters, gets shot a couple of times, and is still in good enough condition to three piece two thugs. Oh, and is that also the supposedly "weak" daredevil that "gets beat up by thugs" casually two shotting them?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xce0cl3WJx0Oh, and BTW, running down a dark alley and dodging your opponents aim is not even close to actually dodging gunfire. 😆
You might wanna take those rose colored glasses off.
The fact that have you note how much damage he has sustained in these fights and before these fights should generally tell you what you need to know.
Here Batman KOs 7 fully armed Bane mercs in 16 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqtVG72Amcg
And DKRises is Bruce way past his prime.
The difference between these showings and yours of dragging on and on and taking a ton of damage is drastic. Not one you showed stacks up imo.
Oh, and people shooting directly at you, and you coming out unscathed, is evading gunfire.
Even if you were across a street, ducking between tables, if you're being shot at, you're evading gunfire.
However, he was running straight at the guy, while evading gunfire in a corridor.
Originally posted by Juntaia handful​? Do you seriously think you're not lowballing? I even told you the number of people that they fought.
Daredevil or Punisher both with feats of fighting a handful of guys in a hallway for almost 3 minutes up to almost 6, looking exhausted and taking damage = Batman railroading a dozen armed guys in under 30 seconds and walking away like it was easy several times?The fact that have you note how much damage he has sustained in these fights and before these fights should generally tell you what you need to know.
Here Batman KOs 7 fully armed Bane mercs in 16 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqtVG72Amcg
And DKRises is Bruce way past his prime.
The difference between these showings and yours of dragging on and on and taking a ton of damage is drastic. Not one you showed stacks up imo.
Oh, and people shooting directly at you, and you coming out unscathed, is evading gunfire.
Even if you were across a street, ducking between tables, if you're being shot at, you're evading gunfire.
However, he was running straight at the guy, while evading gunfire in a corridor.
Noting that an injured Daredevil still casually beats two dozen armed thugs (some of which are military vets) does tell me all I need to know. Especially when a full health daredevil two shots goons while saving the punisher.
And here Batman gets three pieced by the joker and some dogs (this is after Batman got new armor so that he could actually fight dogs and not get torn to shreds)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X5-phrSTIUs
Those "decisively meta" stats. Such impressive. Much wow.
Them taking "a ton of damage" is only after they've been horribly injured first and even then, they still win their fights.
That's called aim dodging. Bruce was portrayed as a physically fit human throughout the movies, but he did absolutely nothing to support the thought that he can dodge bullets. Even if he could, I'd like to see you actually try to prove that the nameless thug that was shooting at him has even half of Frank's skills.
You also failed to address how Elektra and Daredevil were oneshotting highly trained hand ninjas.
Originally posted by deathslashCall it whatever you like, it's still correctly identified as dodging gunfire.
a handful​? Do you seriously think you're not lowballing? I even told you the number of people that they fought.Noting that an injured Daredevil still casually beats two dozen armed thugs (some of which are military vets) does tell me all I need to know. Especially when a full health daredevil two shots goons while saving the punisher.
And here Batman gets three pieced by the joker and some dogs (this is after Batman got new armor so that he could actually fight dogs and not get torn to shreds)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X5-phrSTIUsThose "decisively meta" stats. Such impressive. Much wow.
Them taking "a ton of damage" is only after they've been horribly injured first and even then, they still win their fights.
That's called aim dodging. Bruce was portrayed as a physically fit human throughout the movies, but he did absolutely nothing to support the thought that he can dodge bullets. Even if he could, I'd like to see you actually try to prove that the nameless thug that was shooting at him has even half of Frank's skills.
You also failed to address how Elektra and Daredevil were oneshotting highly trained hand ninjas.
Bats smashes groups of guys in fraction of time, without the damage.
Frank isn't getting prep like Joker. Batman is the one with prep here.
Likewise he likely isnt going to need to use sonar vision that will get knocked haywire. Nor is Frank going to have all the traps set, like the netting, nor the dogs.
In the rooftop scene, Daredevil just fought Nobu the whole time and he was losing, elektra was 'one shotting' by stabbing them, lol.
I dunno how Eletra stabbing some guys while Daredevil fights but is losing to another dude applies to Frank winning, but OK.
None of it still matches Batman's feats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc96eJMEBII&app=desktop
Bruce would have done in a fraction of the time. He drops groups in seconds. Even his fights against groups of league of Shadows ninjas, he drops in seconds and they could barely react to him, as I showed before.
Frank's Prison scene would have been seconds for Batman, and he wouldn't have almost died doing it.
Remember, Bruce had known several styles and pretty easily smashed 7 guys at once in about 40 seconds just for practice in the Prison before ever training with the league, essentially an amateur compared them or where he was as Batman.
They trained him to be Brutal and not flashy, in his initial fight with Ra's, it was shown that Bruce already knew several styles, and Ra's remarked 'you are skilled, but this is not a dance", and effortlessly beat him. He trained him to be fast, effective and brutal, its why his fight style isn't kung fu flash like Daredevils, even though he knows many Kung Fu styles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_3Tu32OUSs
Here Daredevil and Elektra were taking on 7 Hand Ninjas and almost died until Stick saved them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VfMZmIMp5A
This fight would have been seconds for Batman.
In fact, they attacked in a couple waves. He would have been standing around waiting for the other waves to get there.
I gave you an entire post with like a dozen examples of Bruce absolutely railroading guys in seconds.
And you give me a bunch of 3-5 minute scenes of Daredevil and Frank ****ing scraping by and nearly dying and pretending like its even close to equal.
don't think I could've replied to those rediculous statements better myself.
He also had weeks of prep to prepare for bane and do you know what his big plan was? To punch bane in the face a bunch of times until his mask broke and even then he got outsmarted by Talia. His big plan against the Joker? Punch him in the face a bunch of times and string him up. Even then, Joker still had him on the ropes and could've killed him I he didn't stop to banter. So yeah, he turned the lights off and beat up some random goons before abducting an accountant with no skill. Doesn't mean that he's going to get Frank in the same way.
I feel like Nolan's DK is less grounded in realism than the Netflix shows when it comes to strength. He had Bane punch a hole in a column by accident. Meanwhile, Fisk's best punch couldn't ko an old fragile accountant. He needed to follow up by throwing him into an elevator shaft. I remember that annoyed me. Bane would've taken his head off.
Originally posted by SamZEDNolan's trilogy is pretty close to realism.
I feel like Nolan's DK is less grounded in realism than the Netflix shows when it comes to strength. He had Bane punch a hole in a column by accident. Meanwhile, Fisk's best punch couldn't ko an old fragile accountant. He needed to follow up by throwing him into an elevator shaft. I remember that annoyed me. Bane would've taken his head off.
I could be wrong about everything. Trilogy was terrible, struggling to remember anything.