Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Basically you have a heavily weakened Maul wrecking Obi-Wan on the Turtle Tanker
Arguing the fight, as in the part where their sabers actually clashed proves even parity for maul is hilarious. Maul wrecking Kenobi when he was bullrushing doesn't really matter because Kenobi bull rushing was because of exploitation of external circumstances(ambush/torture/Kenobi authoritatively being mentaly off guard)/
The actual saber fight very clearly has maul getting his horn handed to him.
We see Kenobi incap maul twice, and then drive maul back.
Maul admittedly lands three kicks in quick succession on Kenobi, however Kenobi instantly gets up/ Additionally Maul's only significant hit of the fight, aside from failing to incap Kenobi like Kenobi did vs maul was an act f desperation from Kenobi slamming maul's b;ade to the ground leaving him exposed.
Admittedly there was context hindering maul, however all you can use this to claim is that the fight is a wash. Nothing in the actual fight remotely suggests parity much less the superiority you keep baselessly trying to push from this.
And it does show how laughable the notion of maul's physicals netting him any wins when he even a physically wrecked Kenobi can tank so many of his hits. Especialy when you consider maul's utter failure to land any sort of physical strike outside of this circumstantial one.
And yes "maul's raw power" was too much for Kenobi, in the context that Kenobi was mentally unbalanced and physically wrecked, after maul used dun mooch on him. You can't take a statement specific to a certain fight, and ignore the context/circumstances of that fight, it proves nothing.
Florrum makes very clear who's beter though. While there were circumstances hindering how much his brother helpe dmaul, there's nothing individually hindering maul. On the other hand Kneobi had to deal with Maul's brother, and making use of secondary style.
You can argue whatever you want force wise.
But Kenobi being the superior duelist as of tcw is indisputable.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJUWUdw-YisWitwer has also stated that Dave told him that Lucas told him that if characters don't use the Force for long periods of time, their connection to the Force will weaken and eventually disappear.
Witwer referenced this as a potential reason why Kenobi is "weak" in ANH. Thus, it seems apparent that early TCW Maul and Rebels Maul isn't their prime also - not that that wasn't obvious anyway.
2. Nothing says maul didn't use the force, and rebels kenobi is canonically > Ben kenobi and deepened his connection to it.
But keep weighing your fanfics over canon
Re: Sam Witwer on Obi-Wan Kenobi
Originally posted by Jaggarath
"What's awesome about Obi-Wan, and it's consistent through the Clone Wars, they always say 'he's one of the best, but he's not the best - he's not the best of the best. He's not the best swordsman. He's not the best pilot. But he's really good. But he has these A-game moments.' Well, we just saw an A-game moment (Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul in The Phantom Menace). There's another one, for example, in the Clone Wars, he loses his first fight to Darth Maul pretty hardcore. He does not even hold a candle to Darth Maul when him and Ventress fight Savage and Maul. He loses. But the next time he fights, he's up against Savage and Maul, and his Jedi partner had been killed - Adi Gallia had just been killed - and just like Qui-Gon Jinn, Obi-Wan then has his A-game moment and stands up to Darth Maul and Savage and drives them off. I like that the character elements are consistent about what activates these people, about when they are at their best and when they are not."
Great quote.
Originally posted by relentless1
lol what A game moment? getting ragdolled and made to beg for mercy???
Hes talking about the lightsaber fight portion. Obviously.
That said, Sidious can basically blitzed anyone whose not named Yoda, Mace Or Anakin.
And amongst even those 3, may be able to ragdoll Anakin.