When you reach the age of reason, will you reject supernatural religion?
When you reach the age of reason, will you reject supernatural religion?
Or will you seek a moral religion to replace the immoral one you now follow, if you happen to be Christian or Muslim?
Or will you let your faith hide the truth of the immorality of your God?
Martin Luther.
“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Greatest I Am
Martin Luther.
“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”
Damn, did he really say that?
At least he realizes that the two are incompatible... science and faith-based religion. A lot of people now can't admit that.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Damn, did he really say that?At least he realizes that the two are incompatible... science and faith-based religion. A lot of people now can't admit that.
A lot but not the majority.
I can forgive M L somewhat because of his time but I cannot forgive modern people.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Damn, did he really say that?At least he realizes that the two are incompatible... science and faith-based religion. A lot of people now can't admit that.
Scientist's believe only in what can be measured? Really?
Scientists take things on faith as much as any human being does (Whether religious conviction, irrational desire for validation/advancement in their choice of career, or a love of a child with a disability who many may wish didn't exist as a burdon on society.
It's called "human nature". And frankly, a human who passively meaures the human condition as if his fellow man has no intrinsic value sounds like a human I'd rather avoid..
Originally posted by cdtm
Scientist's believe only in what can be measured? Really?
No, that's not strictly true. Scientists are just people, so while I'd say they're generally more inclined towards measurable beliefs, the more accurate thing to say would be, "only that which can be measured falls under the umbrella of science."
Scientists take things on faith as much as any human being does (Whether religious conviction, irrational desire for validation/advancement in their choice of career, or a love of a child with a disability who many may wish didn't exist as a burdon on society.
Ngl not sure what point you're trying to make here.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
No, that's not strictly true. Scientists are just people, so while I'd say they're generally more inclined towards measurable beliefs, the more accurate thing to say would be, "only that which can be measured falls under the umbrella of science."Ngl not sure what point you're trying to make here.
My point is that he's wrong in saying science and faith are incompatible. The two have nothing to do with each other.
Being a Catholic, Christian, Muslim, or practicing jew is no more relevent to being a scientist then taking it on faith then accepting a parent loves their child above other human, or beliving that equality is a virtue worth advocating, is.
I will say that I do not believe in God, but I do believe in the supernatural. I went to a Catholic grammar school(and high school). I was in 8th grade when I became an atheist. It all started when I was scolded for merely questioning something about the bible.
See so instead of trying to engage with me they set me on a course that made me stop believing, all because they couldn't handle a question.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
So what exactly do you mean by "supernatural"? Ghosts and ghoulies (like Beni mentioned)? And what empirical evidence do you have for it?
I said I believe in it, I never said I have evidence. I do believe spirits exist. I believe there is an afterlife, though not like Christians believe. No "heaven" or "hell" nor do your actions in life dictate anything about your afterlife.
I believe there are other planes of existence, perhaps some represent what most would picture "hell" to be like, and perhaps some represent what most would picture "heaven" to be like.
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Then why are you so agressive about Christian's beliefs if you also believe in absurdity with admitedly no evidence?
Well you see I don't believe in a crazy sky god that murders people, etc. My beliefs also are not about the way people should act, but about merely the nature of the universe.
Did you want to try again?