Also, just found this:
Darwin
My opinion is not worth more than that of any other man who has thought on such subjects …
And I looked through a few articles, and especially the second goes against Darwin switching his beliefes:
http://www.icr.org/article/2834/
http://creation.mobi/did-charles-darwin-recant
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Let's pretend this is still a debate, lol... because unfortunately far too many people still don't look honestly at the evidence. I think our species is doomed unless we realize our true origins and start making sense of the universe and our place in it. If we don't we're going to continue to kill each other (at worst) and delude ourselves (at best) over which book was written by God.Creationism has a lot of things to answer for to be a viable scientific theory. Just to name a few...
1. [b]Vestigial Structures
like the appendix in humans and hip bones in whales and dolphins (not very "intelligently designed"😉 (see video 1 below)2. Starlight (I even had a Bible teacher in high school mention this as a baffling piece of evidence for Christians)
3. Fossil Record (less complex organisms deeper in the record, more complex more recent in the fossil record - no humans with dinosaurs, no rabbits in the Precambrian era, etc)
4. Chromosome 2 (evidence of a fusion, pretty conclusive for our relation to apes) (See video 3 below)
5. Dover, Pennsylvania area School district. Creationism did not hold up in court. (See video: Judgement Day: Intelligent Design On Trial (NOVA)
A couple really good introductory videos (the first is pretty short)...
Oh, and here are a few really good videos debunking Creationists, showing how dishonest and/or willfully ignorant they are about the evidence. It's deceptive and wrong...
Debunking Creationists - Dr. Ben Carson
Debunking Creationists - Dr. Jason Lisle
Debunking Creationists - Alan Horvath
Debunking Creationists - Jerry BergmanThat should be enough to keep anyone interested busy for a while... heh.. [/B]
Where is it stated in the bible that God didn't created evolution?
Originally posted by NewGuy01
chapter 1.Spoiler:
Regardless, though, he was arguing against creationism, not against the idea of a god, so your question isn't relevant.
The concept of creation is attached to an Omnipotent being. My questions isn't irrelevant.
Plus the OP typed God in his description of this thread.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderHave you ever combed through the Bible looking for the passage that says God didn't create Micro Machines? I haven't found it yet, so that means he invented them. And even though there's also no passage saying he DID create Micro Machines, I just prefer to stick with the part that fits my chosen narrative.
Where is it stated in the bible that God didn't create evolution?
Remember in Genesis 1-11, when God say: "Let the earth bring for grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit..."
Or 1-20 when God: "Let the water bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth..."
Or 1-21 when God: "created great whales, and every living creature that moveth..."
They just got to pop in outta nowhere. Grass didn't evolve until 55 million years ago. Whale ancestors didn't go back into water until 5-6 million years later. Nevermind the "fowl" and "literally the rest, we couldn't be bothered to name anything beyond fowl and whales." They got to skip 4.5 billion years of the planet's history. 4 billion of which had some form of life here.
F*cking Guy skipped right over evolving the creatures and just said "Here, take 'em as is." Literally the first chapter of the Old Testament put the kibosh on evolution.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Have you ever combed through the Bible looking for the passage that says God didn't create Micro Machines? I haven't found it yet, so that means he invented them. And even though there's also no passage saying he DID create Micro Machines, I just prefer to stick with the part that fits my chosen narrative.Remember in Genesis 1-11, when God say: "Let the earth bring for grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit..."
Or 1-20 when God: "Let the water bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth..."
Or 1-21 when God: "created great whales, and every living creature that moveth..."
They just got to pop in outta nowhere. Grass didn't evolve until 55 million years ago. Whale ancestors didn't go back into water until 5-6 million years later. Nevermind the "fowl" and "literally the rest, we couldn't be bothered to name anything beyond fowl and whales." They got to skip 4.5 billion years of the planet's history. 4 billion of which had some form of life here.
F*cking Guy skipped right over evolving the creatures and just said "Here, take 'em as is." Literally the first chapter of the Old Testament put the kibosh on evolution.
Yes but you forget the fact that we know who created micro machines.
We dont know who created Life. Reason why your comparison is irrelevant.
You are taking the Bible literal. The Bible isnt literal.
Well how would you expect God to say that he created Dinosaurs and then evolved them into Whales when people back then didnt even knew what a dinosaur was nor the meaning of evolution?
Its like trying to teach kids about Algebra before they even learn Arithmetics.
God said he created life. The Bible never said Evolution isnt a thing.
Josh, you're retarded. Leech wasn't arguing against the existance of God, rather Creationists using the Bible to "disprove" evolution. These Creationists take the Bible literally, hence they think God legitimately created the world in 6 days and just made whales and fowls. They don't take the Bible as a metaphor.
You don't need to shove your own ideological regurgitations down our throats every single thread, when it has nothing to do with them.
Originally posted by MythLord
Josh, you're retarded. Leech wasn't arguing against the existance of God, rather Creationists using the Bible to "disprove" evolution. These Creationists take the Bible literally, hence they think God legitimately created the world in 6 days and just made whales and fowls. They don't take the Bible as a metaphor.You don't need to shove your own ideological regurgitations down our throats every single thread, when it has nothing to do with them.
And thats why I said I dont see how the fight each other. Whats the problem with that?
Well i believe everything in this threads is but our ideologies. So i dont see the problem with sharing mines.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderGod didn't say anything at all. Humans did. The Bible isn't the word of a supreme mover just because a bunch of humans really believe it to be. It's a book penned by men. Men who lived centuries before science and needed to construct answers for the things they couldn't understand. Comfortable answers. Answers that fit their limited worldview and their limited experience. The Bible never said evolution isn't a thing because the classical-era literates who were capable of fabricating divine origins for unreal deities had no conceptualization of evolution or for a world history that extended further back than they could count. To say nothing of the understanding of mutated genes or molecular bonds broken by ionizing radiation that progresses life.
Yes but you forget the fact that we know who created micro machines.We dont know who created Life. Reason why your comparison is irrelevant.
You are taking the Bible literal. The Bible isnt literal.
Well how would you expect God to say that he created Dinosaurs and then evolved them into Whales when people back then didnt even knew what a dinosaur was nor the meaning of evolution?
Its like trying to teach kids about Algebra before they even learn Arithmetics.
God said he created life. The Bible never said Evolution isnt a thing.
The Bible is as literal or figurative as any individual anywhere says it to be. Wants it to be. The multiple authors of the multiple books in it all themselves had differing intentions, and different grudges. Athanasius vs. Arrian led to fundamental changes in early Christian doctrine. Changes that should not be possible if the scriptures are absolute and incorruptible words of the Creator. A Creator who should not be incapable of communicating his truth clearly and eternally--something at which he has failed utterly.
Your Christian deity is a man-made enterprise, one that was created by scared apes that desperately needed comfort in a world that routinely frightened them. Their imagination and creativity created this God, along with the stories that involve him. Give those fictions credit, they continue to convince people it's all real even today. Why you people feel the need to submit to that ancient opiate when you have all the wonders of modern science to provide actual answers is simply beyond me.
And yet the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzbUPfoveok isn't hailed as the one true Rap God. You mortals suck.
I've always found that people miss the mark when they try to explain supernatural belief is a comforting effort or a way to understand the universe. That kind of thinking is by far way too self-aware and dependant on individual fears that seem basic in modern society but that might've been all but afterthough for primitive men. What I mean is that by describing religion as this kind of utilitarian tool you essentially build a dogma to fit the a specific narrative because of the specific cultural values of modern western society.
I like Digi's answer a bit more actually, religion is not meant to solve deep problems, but to keep you from asking stupid questions. Metaphysical questions aren't helping hunters to get more food, so blind belief will keep them balanced and effective. Human brain would carry the seed of effective mediocrity in self-reflection to keep itself useful and present.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
God didn't say anything at all. Humans did. The Bible isn't the word of a supreme mover just because a bunch of humans really believe it to be. It's a book penned by men. Men who lived centuries before science and needed to construct answers for the things they couldn't understand. Comfortable answers. Answers that fit their limited worldview and their limited experience. The Bible never said evolution isn't a thing because the classical-era literates who were capable of fabricating divine origins for unreal deities had no conceptualization of evolution or for a world history that extended further back than they could count. To say nothing of the understanding of mutated genes or molecular bonds broken by ionizing radiation that progresses life.The Bible is as literal or figurative as any individual anywhere says it to be. Wants it to be. The multiple authors of the multiple books in it all themselves had differing intentions, and different grudges. Athanasius vs. Arrian led to fundamental changes in early Christian doctrine. Changes that should not be possible if the scriptures are absolute and incorruptible words of the Creator. A Creator who should not be incapable of communicating his truth clearly and eternally--something at which he has failed utterly.
Your Christian deity is a man-made enterprise, one that was created by scared apes that desperately needed comfort in a world that routinely frightened them. Their imagination and creativity created this God, along with the stories that involve him. Give those fictions credit, they continue to convince people it's all real even today. Why you people feel the need to submit to that ancient opiate when you have all the wonders of modern science to provide actual answers is simply beyond me.
And yet the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzbUPfoveok isn't hailed as the one true Rap God. You mortals suck.
But again. You keep assuming the Bible is anywhere comparable to a common story. You keep forgetting that there is actual evidence behind the bible. Isn't like you can say the Plagues of Egypt didn't occur, or that Jesus Christ never came to Earth. Even if it's the words of men speaking for God, they clearly saw something, whether a God, Angel, or Alien.
Except it was the Church and the people BEHIND the church that refuses evolution. There is not a single page on the Bible that denies/contradicts evolution. So i don't see your point.
The point here is not whether the Bible is literal/philosophical/metaphorical/ or 100% authentic. The point here is whether the Bible goes against the Evolution Theory. In which case, the answer is NO. The Bible has never addressed such topic.
Except you are thinking that Science can answer everything when the real truth is that our science has failed to answer the most fundamental questions! How did those Apes came to evolve AWAY from other animals and develop such intellectual skills? Who created the universe? How is life created? etc, etc, etc. So don't place much hopes in science my friend, it's no better than Religion.
I haven't seen him pulling miracles.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
But again. You keep assuming the Bible is anywhere comparable to a common story. You keep forgetting that there is actual evidence behind the bible. Isn't like you can say the Plagues of Egypt didn't occur, or that Jesus Christ never came to Earth. Even if it's the words of men speaking for God, they clearly saw something, whether a God, Angel, or Alien.
The fact that some historical things did happen doesn't mean that the book is legit. Forrest Gump has a lot of historical references in it that actually happened, but that doesn't make it a true story.
Originally posted by Bentley
I've always found that people miss the mark when they try to explain supernatural belief is a comforting effort or a way to understand the universe. That kind of thinking is by far way too self-aware and dependant on individual fears that seem basic in modern society but that might've been all but afterthough for primitive men. What I mean is that by describing religion as this kind of utilitarian tool you essentially build a dogma to fit the a specific narrative because of the specific cultural values of modern western society.I like Digi's answer a bit more actually, religion is not meant to solve deep problems, but to keep you from asking stupid questions. Metaphysical questions aren't helping hunters to get more food, so blind belief will keep them balanced and effective. Human brain would carry the seed of effective mediocrity in self-reflection to keep itself useful and present.
I like this comment very much. Nice way of thinking.
Let me ask you a question my friend, how has your "SCIENCE" answered to Death? What is after we die?
You are right, Religion is a belief that our behaviors should be ruled around a God, but it is also the belief that our actions are paid in the world after this one.
So, I would rather follow the Archaic Beliefs of my ancestors than the mediocre way of thinking we have developed nowadays.
Don't place too much faith in science! Science is the answer to this materialistic world, Religion is the answer to the World we can't see and beyond.
Originally posted by socool8520
The fact that some historical things did happen doesn't mean that the book is legit. Forrest Gump has a lot of historical references in it that actually happened, but that doesn't make it a true story.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THE BOOK IS FAKE NEITHER!
The point being here is that it's a mystery!
So it's a matter of which side you wish to believe more than which side is true!
If the assertion is that God is real, then bring solid evidence that there is such a being. The very fact that no one ever has actually lends more credence to the idea that there isn't a God. Someone all knowing and all compassionate should have announced itself by now with more than a book wouldn't you think?