Originally posted by beatboksI posted this in another thread, but...
I'm more curious why some have Corrigan Spec behind Hal. I'd agree GA Spec is but post SA (bronze age and modern) Jim would surely be superior, or is it a balancing of the overall portrayals?
Originally posted by Galan007
It was pretty much spelled out towards the end of Spectre v4 that Hal had reached a pinnacle of power that no other hosts had, and *fully* bonded with the Spectre-Force.So yeah, a full-potential Hal > Jim.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Don't try to bullshit me. Ravenseye was lodged into Yggdrasil which warped the already existing Asgard into a false Asgard. It also warped Odin into a hobo.Where is a single universe creating feat from Odin or Galactus? Even Amethyst destroyed an entire reality created by Mordru in 31st century and she is far weaker than Nabu.
And transported back when Thor killed that reality's Odin(Wotan).
http://oi67.tinypic.com/8y6hp4.jpg
Originally posted by operator616
First of all there were different versions of characters in that reality, so it didn't warp them. Secondly, It created a new one. And the creation feat was specifically attributed to ravens eye not the tree. I already posted the scan.
Originally posted by operator616
You seem to have lost track of the point being made here. My entire point is that it wasn't Black racer helping AM to destroy darkseid. It was AM forcibly taking control of the racer which destroyed DS.
And him helping the AM to kill Darkseid.
What are you even talking about? You asked why would i rate AM above DS, i provided proof of the reasons based on indicators outside of their fight. If you don't like my reasoning
Him getting the help of arrival from Black Racer isn't on his own power.
That's the same darkseid that battled the anti monitor though. And two of those showings happened in the E2 series, the same one where DS fought multiversal Alan.
He was healed before the fight when Apokolips devoured Earth 2.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1RaYP_AMB2w/VJGSGhTny5I/AAAAAAAGuq0/b6dKXUiOYVQ/s1600/p3_5%2Bcopy.jpg
You're not listening. Kyle w/ life equation (which is the opposite to ALE) was well above Highfather and the new gods (who are locked in an eternal stalemate with DS).
Is there any indication that Life Equation is equal to Anti Life Equation save your assumption?
Yet AM is merged with ALE. Highfather was also pretty confident that he could beat darkseid with the equation. That's the indicators i was talking about. There is no lowballing here going on.
Of course there is.
And yet, AM actually beat Darkseid. Something which you seem to be conveniently missing. It's not uncommon for a weaker character to temporarily gain an upper hand on a more powerful character only to lose in the end.
If he was weaker than Anti Monitor, why did the AM absorb universes to fight him? You are conveniently forgetting that as well.
Not entirely as i recall. In Infinity man & the forever people series we're shown flashbacks of Uxas opposing his father yuga, killing him and his armies.
And this somehow amped him?
No you have that wrong. Nabu is actually one of the trinity:Now, the dr fate entity should be wielded by nabu (who mostly acts as a guiding voice) along with the couples (male/female). In most cases, the dr fate entity draws its power from nabu, but in many other cases, it doesnt (see the examples i provided previously), so it's not entirely dependent on nabu's personal power. His independency is further supported by the fact that the amulet was revealed to have been created by anubis rather than nabu in JSA #42.
What are you talking about? It was clearly stated that Fate had never tapped the full power of Nabu and it required the merger of Inza to get him at full power.
The merger of trinity never exceeded the power of Nabu. That's just idiotic.
I thought we settled this?Irrelevant. they straight up overpowered him. Clearly depicted.
They does not mean AM alone.
He doesn't really have a lot. In thor comics (including minis, one-shots, annual and other arcs which tie in with thor events), he has hundreds of appearances and i have calculated that he has 18 low showings. Nabu has about 7 or 8 in several dozen appearances.
Most of the low showings for him are when he was occupying mortal body and restrained in power.
His battle against Seth.
The guy who had been struggling to beat Red Norvell? A hyperbolic statement from Dr Strange doesn't suddenly makes it multiversal.
And Odin once infused thor with OF to temporarily hold his own against thanos who gained multi-universal power (in Thor v2).
Thor also had his belt of strength and Thanos shattered the shield casually.
In the same series, Dan Jurgens said Odin was planetary at best and had King Thor pass out from assembling a moon.
A direct statement from the comic would seal this.But at this point, that's neither here or there.
Sure. But you are still sore about Kismet being the Lord of Order?
What does any of this have to do with being childish...? Anyway, i don't recall Odin saying he can't manipulate time in FI, post a scan otherwise im not buying it.
I guess Galan answered that? Oh and Nabu took Mordru to time of Legion casually.
Given time, yes, perhaps he could've. But he never demonstrated the casual reality warping/universal feats which Odin has.
He was weakened and still could've destroyed the creation.
Im eagerly awaiting your scan.
Nabu being weakened?
It doesn't change the fact that Mordru outright stated that "every spell feels like a mountain".
Nabu was weakened even further.
The second time as in the Princes of Darkness arc? I don't recall him being weakened there...
Your memory is faulty as ever.
Yes, it's not like they battled and nabu overpowered him, he merely imprisoned him.
That's not overpowering, eh?
Yes but Phantom stranger's source of power has been retconned. It's been ever changing actually, and so this is pretty much an isolated incident.In AC #641-644 it's shown that PS's powers comes from humanity. In his solo series we're shown that the lords are his source of power and hence why they are able to depower him. In the Demon series he says that his power comes from a higher realm. In secret origins #10 we're shown that his power comes from the big bang (and this is the most likely origin since madame xanadu #10, the most recent account pre-FP, it's stated that his power comes from the beginning of time)
This is relevant because later on in in GL/Superman: Green of the flame, the lords couldn't do jack shit against the stranger.
Even there it was referred that Lords have deprived him of his power but the times have changed and now he is not their agent.
Yes, this is actually Nabu's highest portrayal. No argument there.
So it must not be taken into account, eh?
In the helmet of fate series:On another note, the helmet in that series was depicted to be ridiculously powerful. Definitely worth mentioning in Nabu's favor. I mean, i would rather be inclined to post Nabu's good showings rather than his lows. But you're the one who forces me to do this when you ignore everything apart from his high showings. So the inevitable end result is that im the one who's low balling. That's me, the DC hater.
That's the pocket universe in the helmet. We are talking about the universe in the amulet.
First of all there were different versions of characters in that reality, so it didn't warp them. Secondly, It created a new one. And the creation feat was specifically attributed to ravens eye not the tree. I already posted the scan.
What the **** are you talking about? All Odin did was fill Ravenseye with the memory of asgardians.
Further Raven's eye was warping asgard due to fooling Yggdrasil. Its clearly stated as well.
And when Thor was teleported, Dr Strange found his essence in Asgard.
When did that happen? im not sure i recall anything of the sort. Also, amethyst isn't that far weaker than Nabu really, she's quite powerful and has done some nifty things.
Haha, right.
Legionnaires 18. Mysa destroys Mordru and Glorith's spell by separating them which was creating a new reality which coallpsed on itself.
But ok, Hela's battle with mephisto was about to cause omniversal destruction, yet hela is far weaker than Odin. Good luck trying to trump that.
Are you high or something? The only thing LT warned mephisto was that he was causing to shift the multiversal balance in Mephisto vs 4. Where is that omiversal destruction from?
Could you please post that scan?
Also the universe in the helmet was destroyed by Spectre in DOV. If there was another pocket universe inside it, it's not the same.
Originally posted by operator616
But ok, Hela's battle with mephisto was about to cause omniversal destruction, yet hela is far weaker than Odin. Good luck trying to trump that.
Originally posted by abhilegendHe's talking about this scene from Thunderstrike #15, I'm sure:
Where is that omiversal destruction from?Could you please post that scan?
Second scan: "None but you would dare raise the dreaded specter of Omniversal Armageddon! [...] The result would surely be undisputable annihilation absolute! [...] Even the Ragnarok of Asgardian Legend would grovelingly pale in comparison!"
...And then Mephisto goes on to say that Odin's power is equal to his own, etc.
But christ... We aren't really trying to pretend like a battle between Mephisto and Hela would have *actually* destroyed the entire Omniverse, right..? 😑
Originally posted by Galan007
He's talking about this scene from Thunderstrike #15, I'm sure:
http://i.imgur.com/lT9nCll.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6CD39AC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cqvSQHK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AktkNrn.jpgSecond scan: "None but you would dare raise the dreaded specter of Omniversal Armageddon! [...] The result would surely be undisputable annihilation absolute! [...] Even the Ragnarok of Asgardian Legend would grovelingly pale in comparison!"
...And then Mephisto goes on to say that Odin's power is equal to his own, etc.
But christ... We aren't really trying to pretend like a battle between Mephisto and Hela would have *actually* destroyed the entire Omniverse, right..? 😑
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Originally posted by abhilegend
And him helping the AM to kill Darkseid.Him getting the help of arrival from Black Racer isn't on his own power.
I posted a scan saying otherwise, but whatever.
Originally posted by abhilegendHe was healed before the fight when Apokolips devoured Earth 2.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1RaYP_AMB2w/VJGSGhTny5I/AAAAAAAGuq0/b6dKXUiOYVQ/s1600/p3_5%2Bcopy.jpg
Lol, so this is the same mr miracle instance from E2 #11 which i referenced....
I mean, seriously that's your proof? You do realize this happened before his battles with PG (and RT), right?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Is there any indication that Life Equation is equal to Anti Life Equation save your assumption?
Yes. In Darkseid war. The all-knowing Batman was witnessing the creation of the mainstream universe and he said that the white light (life equation) was the source of its creation. While the anti life equation was the source of the anti-matter universe.
Originally posted by abhilegendWhat are you talking about? It was clearly stated that Fate had never tapped the full power of Nabu and it required the merger of Inza to get him at full power.
The merger of trinity never exceeded the power of Nabu. That's just idiotic.
Your stance is the idiotic one. Ive provided proof while you provided jack shit.
Repost:
Indeed we have seen this a couple of times. This was first shown in (though mostly ignored) Immortal Dr fate story when Inza and Kent merge to defeat lords of order/chaos (Ynar and vandaemon). In Dr Fate v2 #37, it's revealed that Inza was being powered by a lord of chaos all this time, and so she draws power from all the humans of earth - neither chaos nor order - to defeat him, then later in #41 she merged a lord of chaos with a lord of order. In JSA #50, Hector himself said that he possesses the energies of a hundred realms and the powers of both order and chaos (not just nabu), the same thing was mentioned in Dr fate v3 where he also managed to utterly destroy/atomize the curse, something which even Nabu was unable to do in his own battle with the curse. So Dr fate's power doesn't work like the power cosmic at all, it's capable of actually outperforming its master.
Let me know if you need the scans posted. What i posted is actual proof unlike what you have.
Originally posted by abhilegend
If he was weaker than Anti Monitor, why did the AM absorb universes to fight him? You are conveniently forgetting that as well.And this somehow amped him?
Perhaps because AM didn't know DS's true power level. He knew that he was extremely powerful but not exactly. Or he maybe he wanted to go for the overkill, the more the better.
You can respond back when you're thoroughly following the discussion at hand.
Originally posted by abhilegendMost of the low showings for him are when he was occupying mortal body and restrained in power.
The guy who had been struggling to beat Red Norvell? A hyperbolic statement from Dr Strange doesn't suddenly makes it multiversal.
What are you talking about? Nabu first had difficulty adjusting to Kent's body but was never stated to be weakened, in fact it was implied the exact opposite, i remember a dr fate annual stating that pouring Nabu's consciousness is not unlike pouring the entire universe into an eyedropper, meaning that his full power can be transferred to a human host but he has difficulty adjusting to it (at first). He was never stated to be weakened in JSA either.
Originally posted by abhilegend
The guy who had been struggling to beat Red Norvell? A hyperbolic statement from Dr Strange doesn't suddenly makes it multiversal.Thor also had his belt of strength and Thanos shattered the shield casually.
In the same series, Dan Jurgens said Odin was planetary at best and had King Thor pass out from assembling a moon.
Strange is an expert on the nature and workings of the multiverse, id take his word in such things to be pretty accurate. Also even before Strange's comment the battle was stated to wage on every plane of existence (in this context, referring to universes).
All of thor's items were increased by the OF so it's not relevant. Anyway, Thor straight up defeated him:
http://imgur.com/BtlpBu9
http://imgur.com/3KbcnQs
http://imgur.com/3KbcnQs
http://imgur.com/vNNkHN0
http://imgur.com/DVVq48x
http://imgur.com/TM7FiiP
http://imgur.com/klELzlO
I also failed to mention that what makes this showing even more impressive is the fact that Odin was severely weakened.
Originally posted by abhilegendIn the same series, Dan Jurgens said Odin was planetary at best and had King Thor pass out from assembling a moon.
Nice try, but that was before it was revealed in issue 60 that Thor had mental blocks. It was blatantly stated that reassembling the moon is literally minimal in comparison to the OF's true potential.
Originally posted by abhilegendSure. But you are still sore about Kismet being the Lord of Order?
I guess Galan answered that? Oh and Nabu took Mordru to time of Legion casually.
He was weakened and still could've destroyed the creation.
What?
Yes, that's settled.
Most likely he could've but im curious why do you consider this to be genuine while Odin's seth battle to be hyperbole.
Originally posted by abhilegendNabu being weakened?
Again: Follow the particular point your quoting, what's up with that? Anyway, you said that you have a scan of Nabu being more powerful than kismet. Post it already.
Originally posted by abhilegendYour memory is faulty as ever.
Stop acting condescending with those snide comments.
And that's your proof? You do realize that all this proves that Mordru was weakened during the battle with the JSA, right? Show me proof that he was weakened before the battle.
Originally posted by abhilegendThat's not overpowering, eh?
Even there it was referred that Lords have deprived him of his power but the times have changed and now he is not their agent.
So it must not be taken into account, eh?
No it isn't. It was a sneaky ambush attack.
Ok? That's what i basically said and was my counter to your point.
Did i say that?
Originally posted by abhilegendWhat the **** are you talking about? All Odin did was fill Ravenseye with the memory of asgardians.
Further Raven's eye was warping asgard due to fooling Yggdrasil. Its clearly stated as well.
And when Thor was teleported, Dr Strange found his essence in Asgard.
Everything you just said is wrong. Every single thing.
1) It was plainly stated that the sword's magic created the particular reality
2) Index confirmation:
See locations & items: It says that it is Ludwig's fantasy world including Asgard.
See also the issue synopsis which confirms that the sword's magic created the reality.
3) "the thor of one world battles the thor of another":
Do you really need any more proof?
Lastly: Your last scan is completely irrelevant, lol. It's a separate story-line. It's revealed (in JiM #506 i believe) that it was Odin himself who magically "convinced" the tree that ragnarock has occurred thus stripping all asgardians of their powers. Raven's eye creating a separate reality has nothing to do with that.
Originally posted by abhilegendLegionnaires 18. Mysa destroys Mordru and Glorith's spell by separating them which was creating a new reality which coallpsed on itself.
😂 You were referring to the end of an era arc? I expected there was twist to the version of events which you provided. And you never fail to disappoint.
all she did was blast Mordru away from Glorith, disrupting their universal spell which required them to physically join together. It didn't even harm mordru:
facepalm Holy f*ck that's the "universe destroying" feat you were referring? In what way, shape or form is this a universal destruction feat for her?
And just as an added bonus: Odin did pretty much what your twisted version of amethyst did. He temporarily overpowered Uthana-Thoth whose power held universal destruction in check.
Originally posted by abhilegendAre you high or something? The only thing LT warned mephisto was that he was causing to shift the multiversal balance in Mephisto vs 4. Where is that omiversal destruction from?
Could you please post that scan?
I like how you can be condescending yet so wrong at the same time.
I was referring to thunderstrike #15, as pointed out by Galan.
Next time, at least know your shit before making snide comments. And don't blame me for the hostility, you started it, which is business as usual for you.
Originally posted by abhilegendThat's the pocket universe in the helmet. We are talking about the universe in the amulet.
Correct, for some reason i confused the two. My bad i didn't pay attention.
Originally posted by beatboks
While I dont disagree with Nabu below Odin (Just) the scan where he said he couldnt bend the flow of time was of Nabu in a mortal form (his ancient egyptian body) which weakens him significantly. There is a reason he needed to rest in that tomb and hand over the mantle. The same can be confirmed when Darkseid visited Nabu when he occupied Kents body. He stated there the limitations (which were MUCH greater considering just how much magic that body had wielded over 90 odd years). I mean surely we wouldnt place the limit on Nabu of struggling with great effort to magically pull back the overflown bath water as he did in that form???I'm more curious why some have Corrigan Spec behind Hal. I'd agree GA Spec is but post SA (bronze age and modern) Jim would surely be superior, or is it a balancing of the overall portrayals?
Was it ever stated that the mortal form JSA Nabu was weakened? Because i don't recall. The Nabu in Fate's series had trouble adjusting with Kent's body, more-so than he was weakened. His state was described as pouring the entire universe into an eyedropper, because he had infinite consciousness which is incapable of being compatible in a human body (i believe this was shown in dr fate v2 #13 and annual #1 if i remember)
See Galan's post. Even before his solo series Hal was stated to have the potential to become the most powerful spectre in Legends of DCU #33-36. In his solo series, Hal actually changed the Spectre entity from a spirit of vengeance to a spirit of redemption which is why he became less violent and angry from the previous hosts and could also directly tap into the power of the presence (the logoz, something which no previous host ever had). And even then, he was still getting more and more powerful (Spectre v4 #10 and #17). In one of those instances he utilized the power of the logoz to easily dispatch a jokerized version of Parallax like nothing. He then went subconsciously creating universes based on his desires. So yeah, he was pretty much the most impressive.
Originally posted by Galan007
He's talking about this scene from Thunderstrike #15, I'm sure:
http://i.imgur.com/lT9nCll.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6CD39AC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cqvSQHK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AktkNrn.jpgSecond scan: "None but you would dare raise the dreaded specter of Omniversal Armageddon! [...] The result would surely be undisputable annihilation absolute! [...] Even the Ragnarok of Asgardian Legend would grovelingly pale in comparison!"
...And then Mephisto goes on to say that Odin's power is equal to his own, etc.
But christ... We aren't really trying to pretend like a battle between Mephisto and Hela would have *actually* destroyed the entire Omniverse, right..? 😑
I was more following the line of Abhi's logic and i had a gut feeling that he had his own twisted version of the events. Turns out i was right.
But to answer your question, no, i wouldn't use this as definitive proof that hela or mephisto are omniversal.
Originally posted by operator616
Was it ever stated that the mortal form JSA Nabu was weakened? Because i don't recall. The Nabu in Fate's series had trouble adjusting with Kent's body, more-so than he was weakened. His state was described as pouring the entire universe into an eyedropper, because he had infinite consciousness which is incapable of being compatible in a human body (i believe this was shown in dr fate v2 #13 and annual #1 if i remember)See Galan's post. Even before his solo series Hal was stated to have the potential to become the most powerful spectre in Legends of DCU #33-36. In his solo series, Hal actually changed the Spectre entity from a spirit of vengeance to a spirit of redemption which is why he became less violent and angry from the previous hosts and could also directly tap into the power of the presence (the logoz, something which no previous host ever had). And even then, he was still getting more and more powerful (Spectre v4 #10 and #17). In one of those instances he utilized the power of the logoz to easily dispatch a jokerized version of Parallax like nothing. He then went subconsciously creating universes based on his desires. So yeah, he was pretty much the most impressive.
I was more following the line of Abhi's logic and i had a gut feeling that he had his own twisted version of the events. Turns out i was right.
But to answer your question, no, i wouldn't use this as definitive proof that hela or mephisto are omniversal.
It didnt state so in JSA no, but in several tellings of Kent's origin it mentioned that Nabu had been entombed to rest because of the energies he'd used and That the rest hadnt been enough to restore him. There is also the fact that when Inza trapped Shat -ru in Kents body Kent (in his new body) stated that Shat-ru would have to restrict his energy use or he would be spread across the galaxy and it would take time to reform.
That combined with Phantom Stranger once explaining that the use of high magic directly through a mortal form weakened it (the reason most used talismans, familiars or drew power through beings of power). Also Shat ru at the end of that run explained that magic used through only a single mortal could destroy it (the reason several neighbors offered to be a focus for Inza)
Originally posted by beatboks
It didnt state so in JSA no, but in several tellings of Kent's origin it mentioned that Nabu had been entombed to rest because of the energies he'd used and That the rest hadnt been enough to restore him. There is also the fact that when Inza trapped Shat -ru in Kents body Kent (in his new body) stated that Shat-ru would have to restrict his energy use or he would be spread across the galaxy and it would take time to reform.That combined with Phantom Stranger once explaining that the use of high magic directly through a mortal form weakened it (the reason most used talismans, familiars or drew power through beings of power). Also Shat ru at the end of that run explained that magic used through only a single mortal could destroy it (the reason several neighbors offered to be a focus for Inza)
The lords are energy beings, and its in their very nature that their powers are limited on the physical plane (stated so in the first arc of Dr Fate v2). Which is why they use agents instead of employing their own powers. I don't consider this depowerment.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Also the universe in the helmet was destroyed by Spectre in DOV. If there was another pocket universe inside it, it's not the same.
I forgot about this.
the helmet of fate series happened directly after DoV in which spectre had burned out that universe. So the scan is saying that the helmet burned out the last remnants of that pocket universe which spectre had destroyed. This doesn't diminish what the spectre did though. Im merely saying this for clarification purposes.
Originally posted by operator616
The lords are energy beings, and its in their very nature that their powers are limited on the physical plane (stated so in the first arc of Dr Fate v2). Which is why they use agents instead of employing their own powers. I don't consider this depowerment.
Depowerment is probably the wrong term, I just always saw the Lords of Order and Chaos as more limited. In any corporeal form than in a sheer energy state.when Mordru first possessed the wizard from Amethysts home world he was also much weaker until he also bonded the soul of the wizard to the mortal form as well. Essentially giving two life forces for the power to go thru (much as the intended way for a merged Fate). He did the same thing when he possessed Arion also (bonded his soul) which was used as a specific means to weaken him briefly in Hector's fight with Mordru. Even before the " merged fate" concept the helm always had an entity within it that shared existance with the host. When Inza and Kent first merged it spoke of the shared consciousness between all three, etc.
The theme of a single mortal existance using the power of a lord of order limiting how much power they could use just always seems to be consistently portrayed to me.
Or, lets put it this way. I dont see Nabu in the form he was in JSA ever accomplishing what he did as a pure energy form in DOV.
Originally posted by operator616👆
See Galan's post. Even before his solo series Hal was stated to have the potential to become the most powerful spectre in Legends of DCU #33-36. In his solo series, Hal actually changed the Spectre entity from a spirit of vengeance to a spirit of redemption which is why he became less violent and angry from the previous hosts and could also directly tap into the power of the presence (the logoz, something which no previous host ever had). And even then, he was still getting more and more powerful (Spectre v4 #10 and #17). In one of those instances he utilized the power of the logoz to easily dispatch a jokerized version of Parallax like nothing. He then went subconsciously creating universes based on his desires. So yeah, he was pretty much the most impressive.
Hal/Spectre casually owning Jokerllax is one of his more impressive showings, imo:
Jokerllax cast Hal into "a void beyond ALL voids: infinite nothingness. The cosmic emptiness that exists before THOUGHT. Before FORM. Before YOU..." -- Morrison has since defined this 'place' as the Overvoid.
But despite being thrown into the Overvoid and erased at a metatextual level, Hal returned in the space of a single page, more powerful than ever -- able to tap directly into the power of the Logoz/Presence at will.
...And he only got more adept/powerful from there. 👆
Originally posted by Galan007
👆Hal/Spectre casually owning Jokerllax is one of his more impressive showings, imo:
Jokerllax cast Hal into "a void beyond ALL voids: [b]infinite nothingness
. The cosmic emptiness that exists before THOUGHT. Before FORM. Before YOU..." -- Morrison has since defined this 'place' as the Overvoid.But despite being thrown into the Overvoid and erased at a metatextual level, Hal returned in the space of a single page, more powerful than ever -- able to tap directly into the power of the Logoz/Presence at will.
...And he only got more adept/powerful from there. 👆 [/B]
Thanks galan, what issue is this from?? ( I'll have to pick it up). I hadnt seen anything from Hal near this
*Also keep in mind that the Jokerllax scene occurred WELL before Hal had fully bonded with the Spectre-Force:
http://i.imgur.com/z9kBxCc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4tRva2s.jpg
"You can call me a manifested aspect of your... Unconscious mind. Latent, untapped energy that you haven't been aware of. That you haven't earned in the eyes of God... Till NOW." - issue #17
Once he merged with this dormant aspect/power, Hal [obviously] became FAR more powerful -- a bonafide multiversal entity:
http://i.imgur.com/uwJXyed.jpg
"The Hand of the Divine reaches across space and time... Across ALL the limitless planes of existence."
You may have also noted that Hal mentioned his other 'aspects' in the above scene, so hopefully that didn't confuse you. HAL...and Hal alone...was the central consciousness of the entire Spectre-Force. HAL...and Hal alone...was 'Spectre-Prime'. The countless aspects roaming the multiverse were mere reflections of himself that he ultimately gained full command/control over:
http://i.imgur.com/k2hGc97.jpg
*And for the lulz... Hal stated the power he possessed as Parallax was utterly insignificant when compared to that of Spectre:
http://i.imgur.com/yOHMGZ8.jpg
"I thought Green Lantern's was the ultimate power. I knew what it was to wield enough naked energy to alter time and space. To change the universes... But compared to the Wrath, GL's power is like a flickering candle beside an exploding sun."
I'm confident that Hal was using his stint as Parallax(ala Zero Hour) as a comparison there, because that was the *only* other time he possessed the power to muck with time/space and "change the universeS". IOW, even as a complete n00b it was still implied that Hal/Spectre > ZH Parallax. 🙂
Originally posted by operator616
I posted a scan saying otherwise, but whatever.
Right. Black Racer didn't help AM kill Darkseid, eh?
Lol, so this is the same mr miracle instance from E2 #11 which i referenced....I mean, seriously that's your proof? You do realize this happened before his battles with PG (and RT), right?
Yes, and Darkseid was interrupted before he devoured the heart of Apokolips to gain full strength.
Yes. In Darkseid war. The all-knowing Batman was witnessing the creation of the mainstream universe and he said that the white light (life equation) was the source of its creation. While the anti life equation was the source of the anti-matter universe.
Except white light is not shown to be Life Equation. What kyle was given AFTER the entities sacrificed themselves to fill the source wall.
Life Equation was the root code of reality written on source wall.
Your stance is the idiotic one. Ive provided proof while you provided jack shit.Repost:
Indeed we have seen this a couple of times. This was first shown in (though mostly ignored) Immortal Dr fate story when Inza and Kent merge to defeat lords of order/chaos (Ynar and vandaemon). In Dr Fate v2 #37, it's revealed that Inza was being powered by a lord of chaos all this time, and so she draws power from all the humans of earth - neither chaos nor order - to defeat him, then later in #41 she merged a lord of chaos with a lord of order.
This has nothing to do with Nabu at all.
In JSA #50, Hector himself said that he possesses the energies of a hundred realms and the powers of both order and chaos (not just nabu), the same thing was mentioned in Dr fate v3 where he also managed to utterly destroy/atomize the curse, something which even Nabu was unable to do in his own battle with the curse. So Dr fate's power doesn't work like the power cosmic at all, it's capable of actually outperforming its master.
Hector was channeling both chaos and Order and yet Nabu treated him like a joke and imprisoned him into his own body.
He defeated Curse with the exploitation that he was pure chaos and encased him in a sphere of pure order.
Let me know if you want the scans posted.
Let me know if you need the scans posted. What i posted is actual proof unlike what you have.
Right. Go on and show us Nabu wielding the full power as a human host.
Perhaps because AM didn't know DS's true power level. He knew that he was extremely powerful but not exactly. Or he maybe he wanted to go for the overkill, the more the better.
That's just hilarious. Go on and show us all by the scans about why AM thought it was overkill when he got his ass handed to him AFTER the amps.
You can respond back when you're thoroughly following the discussion at hand.
You can too.
What are you talking about? Nabu first had difficulty adjusting to Kent's body but was never stated to be weakened, in fact it was implied the exact opposite, i remember a dr fate annual stating that pouring Nabu's consciousness is not unlike pouring the entire universe into an eyedropper, meaning that his full power can be transferred to a human host but he has difficulty adjusting to it (at first). He was never stated to be weakened in JSA either.
Is that so?
I'm still waiting for the scans where Nabu had the full power in his human form.
Strange is an expert on the nature and workings of the multiverse, id take his word in such things to be pretty accurate.
He said only galaxies are in peril. Not the multiverse. And Odin actually lost that fight before red norvell and others distracted Seth.
And the same Seth had to use all his realm's power to beat Loki.
Also even before Strange's comment the battle was stated to wage on every plane of existence (in this context, referring to universes).
That was after Strange's comments.
All of thor's items were increased by the OF so it's not relevant. Anyway, Thor straight up defeated him:http://imgur.com/BtlpBu9
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Thor got his ass handed to him and only after he shattered the illumination stone he could beat Thanosi.
What made you think Thanosi was multi-universal when he wasn't able to kill normal Thor after he was trapped in his energy beam?
I also failed to mention that what makes this showing even more impressive is the fact that Odin was severely weakened.
Right. How is it impressive if Thor only beat Thanosi after destroying the stone?
Nice try, but that was before it was revealed in issue 60 that Thor had mental blocks. It was blatantly stated that reassembling the moon is literally minimal in comparison to the OF's true potential.
Yes, but it was limited to planetary level as per the writer.
What?Yes, that's settled.
Good to know.
Most likely he could've but im curious why do you consider this to be genuine while Odin's seth battle to be hyperbole.
Because the narration started from planet quivering to galaxy destruction yet the asgardians beneath them suffered nothing. Also Seth intended to destroy the universe by destroying Yggdrasil.
Again: Follow the particular point your quoting, what's up with that? Anyway, you said that you have a scan of Nabu being more powerful than kismet. Post it already.
I will. You have yet to refute the scan from DOV.
Stop acting condescending with those snide comments.
Why?
And that's your proof? You do realize that all this proves that Mordru was weakened during the battle with the JSA, right? Show me proof that he was weakened before the battle.
What? He curbstomped entire JSA and ripped the starheart out of Alan, defeated Thunderbolt and whatnot. Why would I try to show that he was weakened before that?
