Thor vs. Wonder Woman

Originally posted by Sable
Who has Thor gone up against that is high caliber then doomsday?

WW didn't go up against DD on her own. It can be argued that she only went up against 1/3 DD. Thor has gone up against Hulk, Loki and Malekith solo. He's curbstomped a group of frost giants on his own. He's also mowed down SHIELD agents while being depowered. I don't recall WW ever taking out any opponent as easily as Thor took out those SHIELD agents where she didn't have a massive physical advantage over the opponent.

She was going up against him one on one many times while superman was saving Lois, finding the spear, and incapacitated after wards. She also took on tons of Amazons while "depowered"<-(your term)

Originally posted by Sable
She was going up against him one on one many times while superman was saving Lois, finding the spear, and incapacitated after wards.

Correct. But she didn't defeat DD. Same way Thor didn't defeat Kurse on his own. Maybe I should have worded my statement better. Thor didn't go up against higher caliber opponents, he has defeated higher caliber opponents. Or at least had an easier time defeating opponents of similar physical levels to him than Diana did.

The few times Diana went up against physically equal opponents, she has struggled. On the other hand, Thor has gone up against physically equal opponents and mowed them down.

Originally posted by FrothByte
WW didn't go up against DD on her own. It can be argued that she only went up against 1/3 DD. Thor has gone up against Hulk, Loki and Malekith solo. He's curbstomped a group of frost giants on his own. He's also mowed down SHIELD agents while being depowered. I don't recall WW ever taking out any opponent as easily as Thor took out those SHIELD agents where she didn't have a massive physical advantage over the opponent.

True, the closest we have to WW fighting someone that is a physical equal is her fight with the general and that took a little time.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Correct. But she didn't defeat DD. Same way Thor didn't defeat Kurse on his own. Maybe I should have worded my statement better. Thor didn't go up against higher caliber opponents, he has defeated higher caliber opponents. Or at least had an easier time defeating opponents of similar physical levels to him than Diana did.

The few times Diana went up against physically equal opponents, she has struggled. On the other hand, Thor has gone up against physically equal opponents and mowed them down.

He didn't defeat Malekith on his own. He used his gf tech because he couldn't. So if you are taking away feats from Diana cause she didn't defeat Doomsday, then you can't say Thor did as well, he had help. And Kurse beat him down solid, he lost to Kurse. It wasn't even a close call. It was a beat down.

Also one could say Wonder Woman made it possible to defeat Doomsday as he had him lassoed.

interesting fight.. leaning towards Diana, but could go either way

Originally posted by Sable
He didn't defeat Malekith on his own. He used his gf tech because he couldn't. So if you are taking away feats from Diana cause she didn't defeat Doomsday, then you can't say Thor did as well, he had help. And Kurse beat him down solid, he lost to Kurse. It wasn't even a close call. It was a beat down.

Also one could say Wonder Woman made it possible to defeat Doomsday as he had him lassoed.

Ok let me put this another way:

Name me one opponent of Diana who's within her strength range where she completely dominated this opponent.

So are you retracting all those claims? You can't just abandon your argument and move the goal posts.

Edit:

She took on two people above her pay grade and never had a scratch on her.

Originally posted by Sable
So are you retracting all those claims? You can't just abadone your argument and move the goal posts.

Do you have to pick a fight with every point I raise? I'm trying to clarify my stance, to help you understand. Your aggression is unfounded.

Or are you just trying to dodge this question?

I answered the question. I think you are a bit sensitive for internet debates. I merely said you were moving the goal posts. You do this every day "I am trying to help you understand" when I just caught you red handed in misrepresenting feats, its you who didn't understand the actual feats and facts of your argument which was misrepresented.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Do you have to pick a fight with every point I raise? I'm trying to clarify my stance, to help you understand. Your aggression is unfounded.

Or are you just trying to dodge this question?

He's baiting you, it's what trolls do.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He's baiting you, it's what trolls do.

Dude, he made up feats. What do you call that.

This fight depends largely on the first actual solid hit, IMO. If Diana gets a good cut in on Thor, he is screwed. But if she takes a hammer strike to the face, she is probably not just going to shrug it off.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
This fight depends largely on the first actual solid hit, IMO. If Diana gets a good cut in on Thor, he is screwed. But if she takes a hammer strike to the face, she is probably not just going to shrug it off.

And the h2h fight? WW has better speed feats whereas Thor has better durability feats.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Correct. But she didn't defeat DD. Same way Thor didn't defeat Kurse on his own. Maybe I should have worded my statement better. Thor didn't go up against higher caliber opponents, he has defeated higher caliber opponents. Or at least had an easier time defeating opponents of similar physical levels to him than Diana did.

The few times Diana went up against physically equal opponents, she has struggled. On the other hand, Thor has gone up against physically equal opponents and mowed them down.

Thor hasn't defeat any higher caliber opponent, Kurse no sold him it wasn't even a fight, it was a complete beat down. Mal no sold him, needed help defeating Mal with his gf weapons, Hulk no sold him. Ultron said he was a pest and no sold him.

Thor has one big win on his record with the destroyer who was a slow moving automaton with a heat beam for a weapon.

WW defeated Ares henchman, defeated Ares, took doomsday head on by herself, cut his arm off, saved batman, and was vital in defeating doomsday.

I think you are grossly misrepresenting feats and fights and vastly exaggerating as well.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And the h2h fight? WW has better speed feats whereas Thor has better durability feats.

Honestly, I'm not sure. Both have really strong blunt force durability showings. Potentially too great for the other one to overcome. Maybe the first person who can get the other one in a choke hold? In which case I would edge it in favour of WW, given the speed advantage.

Originally posted by Sable
Thor hasn't defeat any higher caliber opponent, Kurse no sold him it wasn't even a fight, it was a complete beat down. Mal no sold him, needed help defeating Mal with his gf weapons, Hulk no sold him. Ultron said he was a pest and no sold him.

Thor has one big win on his record with the destroyer who was a slow moving automaton with a heat beam for a weapon.

WW defeated Ares henchman, defeated Ares, took doomsday head on by herself, cut his arm off, saved batman, and was vital in defeating doomsday.

I think you are grossly misrepresenting feats and fights and vastly exaggerating as well.

Just by saying Malekith no sold Thor and Hulk no sold Thor already proves you're making stuff up. The rest of your post loses credibility when your opening paragraph is already completely wrong.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Just by saying Malekith no sold Thor and Hulk no sold Thor already proves you're making stuff up. The rest of your post loses credibility when your opening paragraph is already completely wrong.

Did we watch the same movies? Before the fighter jet came in, Hulk was on the war path beating him senseless.Thor landed one good hit on him with the hammer, after that it was a one sided fight. Mal had separated him from his hammer, and couldn't stop him. He could not beat him in a one on one fight. He said as much, and went to get the tech from Jane.

Originally posted by Sable
Did we watch the same movies? Before the fighter jet came in, Hulk was on the war path beating him senseless.Thor landed one good hit on him with the hammer, after that it was a one sided fight. Mal had separated him from his hammer, and couldn't stop him. He could not beat him in a one on one fight. He said as much, and went to get the tech from Jane.

So... slamming Thor once on the ground and throwing him once against the wall is considered beating him senseless? Yeah... sure.

Should I post the fight?