Bebop & Rocksteady + Krang vs. Wolverine + Gray Hulk

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
These new versions are tough. They seem to have cartoonish resistance to blunt force, and were quick to recover from electrocution. However, ninjas were able to hack and stab them just fine with ordinary steel blades. They were able to fight on, but most of the damage appears to be mostly superficial anyway.

Higher end bricks like Colossus, Thing, and Hulk would've laughed if the Hand had tried that with them, and yet Wolverine has been able to slash and stab them with his claws. Adamantium makes all the difference between flesh wounds and dismemberment.

Originally posted by deathslash
the scans that I posted are actually one of their first showings as mutants. It was before their level of power was clearly defined. In the fight that Galan posted, they laughed off getting shot by a minigun in addition to the turtles not doing anything with their weapons.

They weren't shot by the minigun, though. They did raise their arms in defense, expecting to be hit, but the crab aimed for the building's structural supports instead. There's no visible impact on them during the barrage, and Rocksteady taunts the crab for not hitting him or Bebop.

I don't remember seeing scans of the turtles fighting them, but they're still using steel weapons, and if these turtles are anything like other versions, they're not going for the kill. Wolverine has no such qualms concerning criminals, and his claws have built up their reputation by casually slicing through just about anything not adamantium or magical.

They can slice through certain magical items, too.

Ebony Blade, Black Muramasa sword and Mjolnir being the known exceptions.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
These new versions are tough. They seem to have cartoonish resistance to blunt force, and were quick to recover from electrocution. However, ninjas were able to hack and stab them just fine with ordinary steel blades. They were able to fight on, but most of the damage appears to be mostly superficial anyway.

Higher end bricks like Colossus, Thing, and Hulk would've laughed if the Hand had tried that with them, and yet Wolverine has been able to slash and stab them with his claws. Adamantium makes all the difference between flesh wounds and dismemberment.

*And they can use those weapons effectively enough to own the Turts, btw, so it's not like they're slow feebs with them by any means:

That could potentially be problematic for Logan... Especially if Krang decides to throw some rockets or blaster bolts his way as well:

Not saying Logan hasn't gone up against that type of stuff before, but those methods of attack *can* still harm to a degree if successful, so they *are* still worth mentioning here, imo. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, like Stilt mentioned: they are very credible threats in IDW continuity, with insane strength/durability/damage-soak.

Aside from pummeling the shit out of the Turtles and stomping hordes of Foot Soldiers, they can also obliterate stone walls/buildings with casual punches, toss cars around like baseballs, overturn the boxcars of a train just by slamming opponents into them, etc. They've also tanked numerous types of explosions, multi-story buildings collapsing on them, high-power lasers, high-voltage electrocution, etc. etc. etc.

Where durability/damage-soak is concerned, this scene is a good indicator:

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Its like shocker becoming a powerhouse

Leave 616 Shocker alone, goddammit.

Dude went toe to toe with the Thing and was considered to be too good to join Hood's gang...

And he made Spiderpussy lick his semen from the floor several times, too:

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Leave 616 Shocker alone, goddammit.

Dude went toe to toe with the Thing and was considered to be too good to join Hood's gang...

And he made Spiderpussy lick his semen from the floor several times, too:

Don't worry. Stilt has been waiting YEARS to post that. 👆

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
They weren't shot by the minigun, though. They did raise their arms in defense, expecting to be hit, but the crab aimed for the building's structural supports instead. There's no visible impact on them during the barrage, and Rocksteady taunts the crab for not hitting him or Bebop.

I don't remember seeing scans of the turtles fighting them, but they're still using steel weapons, and if these turtles are anything like other versions, they're not going for the kill. Wolverine has no such qualms concerning criminals, and his claws have built up their reputation by casually slicing through just about anything not adamantium or magical.

Originally posted by deathslash
Galan only posted a portion of the fight and they were indeed shot outright by a Herman's minigun and shrugged it off.

They also tanked a missile to the chest from Herman:

Yeah, they're tough as nails allright.

Thing is, nothing they tanked is adamantium. Especially Logan's adamantium, powered by the collective wills of paying fanboys everywhere.

I'm not so sure even shrugging off lasers (Which they have!) is enough to keep from getting pierced/gutted/mauled..

About BB and RS's speed:

They did ok against the turtles, yeah. Only a half step behind them, I'd say
Kurei, otoh, pretty much blitzed Rocksteady. Shoved a big stick in his mouth and could have cut him through the roof of the mouth into the brain..

Granted, BB was trying to impress her and not be fired from the foot, but still... No one in tmnt really has speed feats on par with Wolverines best, including Shredders daughter.

Or, Splinter. Who probably could have killed them both with a super weapon of some kind.. (Adamantium.sword, ebony blade, Cap's shield..)

Originally posted by cdtm
Yeah, they're tough as nails allright.

Thing is, nothing they tanked is adamantium. Especially Logan's adamantium, powered by the collective wills of paying fanboys everywhere.

I'm not so sure even shrugging off lasers (Which they have!) is enough to keep from getting pierced/gutted/mauled..

Gray Hulk surpasses pretty much all the stuff posted without invoking the asteroid feat

While I'm thinking about it, here's another instance of B&R tanking a missile pointblank:

As for some of the weaponry in Krang's arsenal...

He's got a slew of missiles:

An energy-blade for close quarters fighting:

A powerful arm-beam/canon:

A very potent chest-beam:

No less than 20 smaller hand/wrist-mounted lasers:

*And he can use both of the above simultaneously:

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Moreover, Krang's brute strength is at least on par with Bebop & Rocksteady, given that he, too, can casually swat the Turts aside:

And smash through massive stone pillars like toothpicks:

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So yeah, he's certainly no pushover either.

Still lost to Shredder. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
I don't think anyone is saying they could tank Wolvie's claws, though. Just that their durability/damage soak/HF would enable them to endure the slashes/stabs FAR better than most... Which is absolutely true. 👆

Good match. want to say team 2. But it doesn't look like they win easy at all

Originally posted by cdtm
Still lost to Shredder. 👆