The Mandrain vs Aquaman

Started by EcstaticGrace3 pages

Originally posted by riv6672
The reason J'onn gets called a jobber is the same reason certain characters get portrayed as fighting like the Flash when they dont (Superman) or being able to gut any other character despite being leagues below them in power (Wolverine) or having anything needed at any time to win any posted fight as standard gear (Black Panther):

Fan support.

Stories get spun here every day on how characters'd win fights by various methods not seen in the books.
Bullshit gets called depending on the fanbase responding.

I agree it's bullshit to make up theories on how Mandarin can win based on his powerset. Despite lack of evidence doing any of the such.

Good talk 👌🏿

No sweat, your deflections are pretty standard fare.
My points arent in any way made to change what isnt being used, in your case.

It's not a deflection it's using common sense. Your "fans pick whoever they want to win" is a piss poor excuse to suggest hey anyone can win as long as their fanbase supports it.

Batman isn't getting a forum win on Superman in a no prep battle just because he has the greater fanbase. There's fight where Id admit a preferred character would lose. This isn't one of them as shown so far. Cry me a river with that fanbase bs.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, you could be right. mandy is a tough guy to go against. maybe it's just that he never really seems to use the rings in the best possible ways. i've always liked him for his potential, and when the rings went sentient i thought maybe we'd finally see their powers unleashed. and we did, sorta. but mandy never seems to make full use. if he did, he's kick a$$. i think it's because i find him a bit underwhelming that i give AM the majority, though by rights i think you're right, mandy should be able to take him. he just needs some decent wins maybe.

I think Mandarin kind of suffers from the same problem as Thor, in that his weapon competes with his personal abilities for story-space.

Thor has plenty of showings where his weather-control looks far less impressive than Storm's, but his strength is clearly Hulk-class.

Thor has a handful of showings where his weather-control is insanely cosmic, but you wouldn't guess his strength was any higher than Thing's based on what is shown.

The Mandarin has kind of a similar problem in that his superhuman chi-channeling martial arts abilities, his rings, and his prep all compete for story-space.

In the Knaufs's story, you wouldn't know the rings were a big deal at all, because both his superhuman martial arts abilities and his prep are played up.

In the Byrne story, you wouldn't know he is good at prep or possesses superhuman martial arts abilities at all, because the rings are really played up as cosmically powerful.

In the Busiek story, you would never guess that his rings were powerful at all, or that he had superhuman martial arts abilities, because the story is completely about his prep, i.e. the Dragon of Heaven.

It's almost impossible to write a coherent story that gives all three major aspects of his character full credit. So something always gets toned down.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
It's not a deflection it's using common sense. Your "fans pick whoever they want to win" is a piss poor excuse to suggest hey anyone can win as long as their fanbase supports it.

Batman isn't getting a forum win on Superman in a no prep battle just because he has the greater fanbase. There's fight where Id admit a preferred character would lose. This isn't one of them as shown so far. Cry me a river with that fanbase bs.


Looks like you're doing enough crying for the both of us, do, pass on that last.

Your example is something i've actually seen argued here, as fans of Batman grasp at straws.
A better example you can easily click on right now, is the Black Adam vs Wolverine thread, where the first response is 'what happens if Wolverine stans BA in the eyes', and at least one poster expects ppl to think Wolvie can gut BA.

Fans, whatcha gonna do. 😂