Not ludicrous but not entirely untrue. Loki is more agile and more dextrous, nimble as well. In comicsworld and the people who argue it looking cool,spinny,flashy stuff=skill.
I think they are both equally skilled specifically to their own natural abilities.
Equalized stats- Loki vs. Thor in a knife fight. Whose winning?
Same as above. Large Warhammer
Weapon of choice can play a role in the perception of skill as well. Even without the worthy enchantment a Mjolnir like battle hammer would probably weigh 30 lbs? Maybe more? I couldn't imagine a more difficult, cumbersome weapon to use in a melee, the skill imo would be somehow not getting tagged by your opponent 5-6 times in between swings.
Knives, looks cooler for obvious reasons. Looking cool = skill. ( I would bring 2 12 inch blades to a fight before I'd ever bring a sledgehammer.)
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Loki is faster and a better fighter than Thor. Else watch Thor 1.The only reason Thor always defeats Loki is due to his powers.
Watch Thor easily take out Shield Agents with no powers.
Watch Thor dodg and evade all of Hulks hits, including ducking back when that Jet wing was thrown at him, and then tell me with a straight face that Loki is faster, more nimble and a better combatant.
FYI Thor tells Loki in TDW that he always went easy on him.
Originally posted by Darth Thor\
Watch Thor easily take out Shield Agents with no powers.Watch Thor dodg and evade all of Hulks hits, including ducking back when that Jet wing was thrown at him, and then tell me with a straight face that Loki is faster, more nimble and a better combatant.
FYI Thor tells Loki in TDW that he always went easy on him.
Again with the Shield agents!?
Those shield agents are not even consider high elite fighters! And yet Thor struggled with a fat big unknown guy!
Loki is a better fighter than Thor, and so is Cap.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Not ludicrous but not entirely untrue. Loki is more agile and more dextrous, nimble as well. In comicsworld and the people who argue it looking cool,spinny,flashy stuff=skill.I think they are both equally skilled specifically to their own natural abilities.
Equalized stats- Loki vs. Thor in a knife fight. Whose winning?
Same as above. Large Warhammer
Weapon of choice can play a role in the perception of skill as well. Even without the worthy enchantment a Mjolnir like battle hammer would probably weigh 30 lbs? Maybe more? I couldn't imagine a more difficult, cumbersome weapon to use in a melee, the skill imo would be somehow not getting tagged by your opponent 5-6 times in between swings.
Knives, looks cooler for obvious reasons. Looking cool = skill. ( I would bring 2 12 inch blades to a fight before I'd ever bring a sledgehammer.)
Stats equalized Loki would defeat Thor.
Loki is faster and way more cunning.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yes he is! He dodges Thor's attacks as if child's play.Thor's powers is the reason he defeated Loki.
Thor only ever used his powers on Loki once and it was in response to Loki using his powers of illusion.
That said, I rewatched the 2 Thor vs. Loki fights and you might have a point. In their first fight, Loki did land way more hits on Thor. Though to be fair, Thor was very reluctant to fight Loki.
Their 2nd fight was more even, with Loki dodging more hits whereas Thor blocked more hits. Loki landed the first hits but Thor had better combinations.
It reinforces my point that Loki is the nimbler, more agile fighter but not necessarily the better fighter.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor only ever used his powers on Loki once and it was in response to Loki using his powers of illusion.That said, I rewatched the 2 Thor vs. Loki fights and you might have a point. In their first fight, Loki did land way more hits on Thor. Though to be fair, Thor was very reluctant to fight Loki.
Their 2nd fight was more even, with Loki dodging more hits whereas Thor blocked more hits. Loki landed the first hits but Thor had better combinations.
It reinforces my point that Loki is the nimbler, more agile fighter but not necessarily the better fighter.
Thor is the big guy whereas Loki is the fastest and better fighter.
It's simple.
Thor can withstand a lot of punishment and deliver deadly blows. But Thor relies more on that than on combat abilities.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Thor is the big guy whereas Loki is the fastest and better fighter.It's simple.
Thor can withstand a lot of punishment and deliver deadly blows. But Thor relies more on that than on combat abilities.
Why is Loki the better fighter? Just because he has fancier moves? If Loki chooses to dodge and Thor chooses to block, that doesn't make one fighter better than the other. It simply means they have different styles and techniques.
At this point it's near impossible to tell who's the better fighter between the two of them, since Thor doesn't go all out on Loki. Loki doesn't have the kind of fighting feats Thor does like blocking laser fire or dodging hits from Hulk.
The fairest assumption we can give is that they'r equally good fighters, with Loki being faster and Thor being stronger.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Loki is a more nimble and agile fighter than Thor but there was nothing to indicate that he's a faster and better fighter.
Are you sure Loki is more agile, emember in the last movie Thor did a jump spin move to avoid one of Hulk's attacks and on the bridge he did a move where he spun through the air like a top.
I don't recall Loki ever doing anything to match either of those.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Why is Loki the better fighter? Just because he has fancier moves? If Loki chooses to dodge and Thor chooses to block, that doesn't make one fighter better than the other. It simply means they have different styles and techniques.At this point it's near impossible to tell who's the better fighter between the two of them, since Thor doesn't go all out on Loki. Loki doesn't have the kind of fighting feats Thor does like blocking laser fire or dodging hits from Hulk.
The fairest assumption we can give is that they'r equally good fighters, with Loki being faster and Thor being stronger.
The fact that Loki manages to dodge and land more hits than Thor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JPkvO1e1Gw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7cjpeRuNQc&t=59s
In both cases Loki was beating Thor before he either used his powers or the battle was interrupted.
Loki is clearly a better fighter than Thor.
If stats were equalized Loki would win.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The fact that Loki manages to dodge and land more hits than Thor.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JPkvO1e1Gw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7cjpeRuNQc&t=59s
In both cases Loki was beating Thor before he either used his powers or the battle was interrupted.
Loki is clearly a better fighter than Thor.
If stats were equalized Loki would win.
As already mentioned, Thor always took it easy on Loki.
In any case Loki stomped Cap. Thor would stomp him even quicker. And thats without exotic powers.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The fact that Loki manages to dodge and land more hits than Thor.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JPkvO1e1Gw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7cjpeRuNQc&t=59s
In both cases Loki was beating Thor before he either used his powers or the battle was interrupted.
Loki is clearly a better fighter than Thor.
If stats were equalized Loki would win.
See, you almost had me convinced that Loki is faster and nimbler, but then you had to go and ruin it with a statement like this: "In both cases Loki was beating Thor before he either used his powers or the battle was interrupted."
Uh, no, Loki was definitely not beating Thor. We both know that in a straight up h2h fight with no powers, Thor would beat Loki up.
You do realize that speed and agility are also physical stats right? So when you say "if stats were equalized" then you're basically also removing Loki's speed and agility advantage if there was any.
Originally posted by FrothByte'
See, you almost had me convinced that Loki is faster and nimbler, but then you had to go and ruin it with a statement like this: "In both cases Loki was beating Thor before he either used his powers or the battle was interrupted."Uh, no, Loki was definitely not beating Thor. We both know that in a straight up h2h fight with no powers, Thor would beat Loki up.
You do realize that speed and agility are also physical stats right? So when you say "if stats were equalized" then you're basically also removing Loki's speed and agility advantage if there was any.
Not according to the tapes.
Thor had to fly to overpower Loki. In the second tape the Quinjet interrupted the fight, which by the way, Thor was losing.
Thor ain't a better fighter than Loki.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
'Not according to the tapes.
Thor had to fly to overpower Loki. In the second tape the Quinjet interrupted the fight, which by the way, Thor was losing.
Thor ain't a better fighter than Loki.
So getting hit twice now constitutes to someone losing? Also it should be noted that Loki had started using firepower against Thor whereas Thor only stuck to melee.
Originally posted by FrothByte
So getting hit twice now constitutes to someone losing? Also it should be noted that Loki had started using firepower against Thor whereas Thor only stuck to melee.
In most if not all Martial Arts the one who hits the more is consider the better fighter. And by hit I mean hits that connect.
The videos are clear, Thor's power is what gives him the adv over Loki.