Wondy's bracers were broken in New 52 twice, but those events may have been retconned...?
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Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
No, it's a divergent future timeline that has "branched off" from 616 hence the traveling into the past directly into the 616 Universe... The many worlds theory which this is based on is explicit about decisions changing future timelines... You understand that means all materials are identical to prior the branching event?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I think he's saying that it doesn't necessarily become stronger.
OK - in that case, am curious to then see examples of THAT. He has Thor/Mjolnir, and Surtur/sword (although am pretty sure Mjolnir got stronger). Cap's shield got stronger after it was broken, for example.
So in DC - does the same logic (which isn't RL logic) apply?
Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
@stiltman
No Non-canon Sources
Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.
A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'. In the example of Star Trek; instances from the series and movies can be used, but books are definitely out. Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!).
This includes JLA/Avengers. Canon or not, people just aren't going to agree on it in most cases. Besides, there should be plenty of other comics with which to make your point.
Comics released strictly online or on web sites will not be considered proof in the Comic Book Versus Forum.
An obscure interview given by someone involved in a story arc is not proof to refute feats. Neither is a random post by a supposed writer on a message board, blogs, tweets, etc. There have been too many of these so called interviews which go against what's shown on panel. Especially when there is no dialogue to refute what's happening on panel. Most writers are clear with the intentions of the plot and story arc.
This principle extends to characters with multiple versions, alternate timelines, etc. Unless specified by the thread starter, only current-version canon feats are allowed.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
OK - in that case, am curious to then see examples of THAT. He has Thor/Mjolnir, and Surtur/sword (although am pretty sure Mjolnir got stronger). Cap's shield got stronger after it was broken, for example.So in DC - does the same logic (which isn't RL logic) apply?
The two example of Wondy's bracers being broken, did it get more durable when it was whole again after each consecutive break?
With Caps shield they made a point of it being stronger with the uru.
Forging something from base materials into something should make it stronger.
In regards to Wondy's bracers, he is probably saying that they were already made from finished alloys(Zeus aegis), but reforged into a new shape...? I guess.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
All the times Mjolnir was broken and reforged, did they make it a point that it was more durable than ever?The two example of Wondy's bracers being broken, did it get more durable when it was whole again after each consecutive break?
With Caps shield they made a point of it being stronger with the uru.
Forging something from base materials into something should make it stronger.
In regards to Wondy's bracers, he is probably saying that they were already made from finished alloys(Zeus aegis), but reforged into a new shape...? I guess.
He's saying they were broken before, and so, their breakage in their previous incarnation should count.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17100% correct.
All the times Mjolnir was broken and reforged, did they make it a point that it was more durable than ever?The two example of Wondy's bracers being broken, did it get more durable when it was whole again after each consecutive break?
With Caps shield they made a point of it being stronger with the uru.
Forging something from base materials into something should make it stronger.
In regards to Wondy's bracers, he is probably saying that they were already made from finished alloys(Zeus aegis), but reforged into a new shape...? I guess.
Originally posted by leonidasWell in the DCnU at least, the Bracers have been broken, but it took the Omega Energies to do so...
and i never claimed superman broke the bracers. afaik they are the ONLY thing on that list that hasn't been broken, and unlike the shield they have withstood attacks from skyfathers and not been broken.
...Although the Omega Energies would also shatter anything on this list, so it's probably not the best gauge. /shrug
Originally posted by celeyhyga17I guess Leo doesn't know this or just agree with anything DC fans post or maybe he just have the slightest notion of what he's yapping about😉
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Originally posted by leonidas
lol so where's your list exactly...?and i never claimed superman broke the bracers. afaik they are the ONLY thing on that list that hasn't been broken, and unlike the shield they have withstood attacks from skyfathers and not been broken.
The hammer has taken Skyfather blasts now and not been broken either.
This is all fairly new though. It's not even the same weapon as times past to be honest.
I think you could find best feats from the hammer than this one (like, im sure it should have tanked a blast from Surtur or any other skyfather). We just dont know how strong is Odin atm.
But i ask, why most of people are ranking Destroyer armor below Adamantium and Cap Shield?
And i ask again: what is the best feat of the shield? I know it tanked a punch from Thanos...and only Skyfathers destroyed it.
Originally posted by JBL
I guess Leo doesn't know this or just agree with anything DC fans post or maybe he just have the slightest notion of what he's yapping about😉
good gawd you're a tool. 😂
nice list you shared btw. typically showing off your legendary knowledge. you're like that annoying puppy who gets so excited when an adult walks in the room he doesn't know what to do so he just runs up and starts humping his leg then gets kicked to the side for his efforts. you're like that little puppy when you see abhi or me or phil post. 😂
anyway, the new52 stuff wasn't firmly established as canon afaik, and aside from that the bracers have a far greater history, regardless, than any other object on the list. and the idiocy of the whole RL reforging thing: thor had his hammer reforged in a forge in....pittsburgh! lol and uru has been shattered by liquid nitrogen! great feats there. beating my head against a wall though because of course you'd need to be able to read to understand...any of this, so.... shrug
@borg: i just had this discussion with galan. 😂 i realize that uru is getting some much needed credit of late. looking strictly at the most current version, it may well be the hardest metal of all of them, but i think the jury is still out and i was looking from a more historical perspective, based on how they'd been broken. as for the shield--it was alluded to that the shield MAY be better with uru. i'm not sure about that, but by all accounts it certainly didn't weaken it, which again, says something about the way uru is being depicted of late.
