Sam Harris blasts the Left
Very insightful and powerful thoughts on the failure of the Left by Sam Harris:
Sam Harris blasts the Left
Very insightful and powerful thoughts on the failure of the Left by Sam Harris:
This is depressing because the video is from February. Sam labels the left as "irredeemable". 4 months later he has been proven to be correct. They keep losing special elections and they keep pushing narratives that push people away.
When will they learn? This has become a truly legitimate question to ask.
EDIT: I also feel this link has to do with this thread, because it has to do with someone Sam talks about, Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
Kamala Harris goes silent when confronted with true sex-based oppression
Originally posted by Surtur
Kamala Harris goes silent when confronted with true sex-based oppression
American political leftists just don't know what to do when confronted for two social justice warrior causes unless it has to do with religion: then who cares about religious social justice causes?
Originally posted by SurturMost religions, when practiced by someone in an orthodox fundamentalist way, can result in oppression. Do you honestly think Christians aren't guilty of crucifying a woman who has had a child out of wedlock? Do you think Christians aren't guilty of genital mutilation?
This is depressing because the video is from February. Sam labels the left as "irredeemable". 4 months later he has been proven to be correct. They keep losing special elections and they keep pushing narratives that push people away.When will they learn? This has become a truly legitimate question to ask.
EDIT: I also feel this link has to do with this thread, because it has to do with someone Sam talks about, Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
Kamala Harris goes silent when confronted with true sex-based oppression
Far right ppl are trying to turn Islam into the villain because it's easy. Sure Islam has some shitty things in it, as do most religions, but the trend of fundamentalist extreme behavior we see has more to do with politics than it does with religion.
This shit is getting old you know the reasoning is airtight and yet continue to sensationalize the "threat" of Islam
Originally posted by Firefly218
but the trend of fundamentalist extreme behavior we see has more to do with politics than it does with religion.
Precisely.
Developing countries in which half the population is already uneducated with a lot of "mob rule" going around, and then we occupy and bomb the crud out of them. Of course they're going to be filled with Extremists and Terrorists.
But when it comes down to it, despite all the "hate" rhetoric, we really don't care, given our governments will sell arms to these people (directly or indirectly) and we don't do sh** about it.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Most religions, when practiced by someone in an orthodox fundamentalist way, can result in oppression. Do you honestly think Christians aren't guilty of crucifying a woman who has had a child out of wedlock? Do you think Christians aren't guilty of genital mutilation?
I still don't get why people pull this kind of tactic. Yes, we ALL know a lot of religions did shitty things in the past. Thing has been established. We are focused on what is currently going on. If Christians were still crucifying at the same rate these terror attacks occur that would be a thing we talk about.
So it's a way of deflecting from what is currently going on, and currently Islam is the religion of terror, not peace.
Far right ppl are trying to turn Islam into the villain because it's easy. Sure Islam has some shitty things in it, as do most religions, but the trend of fundamentalist extreme behavior we see has more to do with politics than it does with religion.This shit is getting old you know the reasoning is airtight and yet continue to sensationalize the "threat" of Islam
It's just funny for you to go "Christians crucified!" and then talk about airtight reasoning. Also here is the thing, you think Islam is being used as the scapegoat and the true problem is politics. It's the other way around. You're trying to use any excuse to get away from the fact this religion is tied into their politics. Hell they have a separate law system.
Islam has shitty things as do lots of religions...yeah. But it's not "lots of religions" that are currently carrying acts of terror. It's people following Islam. We have a lot of fanatics, and usually they are shouting "Allah Ackbar!" before they do it, and you still try to spin it as "oh it's politics! All religions are like this!".
It is indeed getting old. How many more terror attacks need to happen in the name of this religion?
Originally posted by Surtur
It is indeed getting old. How many more terror attacks need to happen in the name of this religion?
Are you talking about white, American, male terrorists, which are the most common terrorist in America, by far, or are you talking about Islamic Extremists?
Americans should be afraid of, in order of greatest to least amount of concern:
1. Black Men younger than 50 but older than 12.
2. White men younger than 50 but older than 12 who are religious or express too much extremist opinions on anything related to violence (left or right, doesn't matter).
3. Hispanic men younger than 50 but older than 12.
4. Young white women who identify as "bitches" in any way.
Notice that Islam shows up no where on that list? That's because you're far far more likely to be violently assaulted by a "basic b*tch" than you are by a Muslim man. In fact, if you date a "basic b*tch", your chances of being assaulted by her are greater than 100%.
So why are we scared of Muslims again? Seems like another bait-and-switch issue. Seems like we are wasting time on Muslims. My opinion would be seen as racist and sexist against white women, however. Isn't that odd? Despite the data backing up my opinion, I would be the one being called racist and sexist. 😬
Originally posted by dadudemonOk, but there isn't an equal number of Muslims to any of the groups you listed... Theoretically the dominant groups should have proportional crime.
Actually, it was partially based off of the DoJ statistics and part joke.
Muslims ~<1%
Black men ~6%
White men >30%
Hispanic males ~7-10%
White Women >30%
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Ok, but there isn't an equal number of Muslims to any of the groups you listed... Theoretically the dominant groups should have proportional crime.Muslims ~<1%
Black men ~6%
White men >30%
Hispanic males ~7-10%
White Women >30%
You're making a very poor case for your position unless your point is that we should not be afraid of Muslims in the US.
First, let's talk about Muslim demographics: 3.3 million Muslims in the US according to that above link from Pew.
Now we just need to find Muslim violent crime in the US and we can then figure out a per capita number.
Aaaaaannnnndddddd....I can't find shit. Seriously. I cannot find anything on google.
So do you have evidence that I should be more fearful of that 1 out of 35 million chance that I will be the victim of a Muslim terror attack?
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/north-america/2010-04-02/hardly-existential?page=3
At least for immigration, they reduce crime, a point and fact I've posted about before.
"These associations are strong and stable evidence that immigration does not cause crime to increase in U.S. metropolitan areas, and may even help reduce it.
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Across our studies, one finding remains clear: Cities and neighborhoods with greater concentrations of immigrants have lower rates of crime and violence, all else being equal."
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/fact-check-immigration-doesnt-bring-crime-u-s-data-say/
So, find me some numbers. Because according to what research and facts we do have, living in a neighborhood of Muslim immigrants is far far safer than living in a neighborhood of young black or white men.
Ok I was originally doing some light hearted trolling, now I honestly don't think you understand proportions.
I also like how you are using a country not importing Muslims in mass because the UK definitely hasn't had multiple attacks recently, France certainly doesn't have an issue with roaming gangs attacking and robbing trucks on the highway, Germany having no go zones where the police can't go or Sweden's rape statistics doubling...
Nope that doesn't happen here so let's just pretend that it isn't the issue of why Poland and Hungary have huge Fascist party support, why Gert was a serious contender in Brussels or why Finland has roaming skinheads with government support. Or why Bulgaria is legally allowing a man with a helicopter to hunt "refugees" to keep them out or why Greece may leave the EU with a literal Nazi party in charge of their country.
Re: Sam Harris blasts the Left
Originally posted by Firefly218
Far right ppl are trying to turn Islam into the villain because it's easy. Sure Islam has some shitty things in it, as do most religions, but the trend of fundamentalist extreme behavior we see has more to do with politics than it does with religion.
It absolutely has everything to do with religion. Islam teaches violent, oppressive behavior. That's undeniable. It's built into the core of the books. It's a horrible, vile worldview. So it's not a coincidence that Islamists/Muslims are the ones committing these acts of violence and terrorism.
Originally posted by Stigma
Very insightful and powerful thoughts on the failure of the Left by Sam Harris:
Good video and it is a bit ironic that the Left is actually ironically behaving like oppressive Right wing totalitarianism by using violence to shut up opinions instead of speaking reasonably about it.
And his mention of "stealth theocracy" is a little disturbing. The ideals of Islam are extremely anti-liberal. So this is actually truly ironic and bizarre.
Originally posted by Surtur
Islam has shitty things as do lots of religions...yeah. But it's not "lots of religions" that are currently carrying acts of terror. It's people following Islam. We have a lot of fanatics, and usually they are shouting "Allah Ackbar!" before they do it, and you still try to spin it as "oh it's politics! All religions are like this!".It is indeed getting old. How many more terror attacks need to happen in the name of this religion?
This.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Ok I was originally doing some light hearted trolling, now I honestly don't think you understand proportions.
If I do not know what a per capita representation means, then why am I the only one that has posted and cited per capita statistics and research results... 😉
I used the correct term, in context: per capita.
Start using that instead of "proportions."
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
*Cut irrelevant post*
Okay, if you want to get into a per capita conversation, you need to fulfill your end of this conversation. I cannot find anything at all to support your position for my fear.
I live in the US. I live in Oklahoma.
Find me data that tells me I should be afraid of Muslims purely from a per capita standpoint. I did not ask for a population comparison as I've already provided a commentary on that.
Hold up your end of the conversation. Prove your point. Do not use red herrings or strawman arguments: post and debate directly to the topic.
Where is the "violent crimes per capita for Muslims" data?
If you can produce even loose research into that and post some numbers, then we can have a discussion about how scared I should be of US Muslims.
Statistically, if you're going to be the victim of a gun shooting in OK, it's going to come from a white male between the ages of 17 - 62, DDM.
"Beware the White man, for he is the devil's pawn. Among God's peoples, he most kills for sport, or lust or greed. Yes, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a dessert of his home and yours. Shun him. Drive him back into his suburban lair: For he is the harbinger of death."
Originally posted by Robtard
Statistically, if you're going to be the victim of a gun shooting in OK, it's going to come from a white male between the ages of 17 - 62, DDM."Beware the White man, for he is the devil's pawn. Among God's peoples, he most kills for sport, or lust or greed. Yes, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a dessert of his home and yours. Shun him. Drive him back into his suburban lair: For he is the harbinger of death."
Shhh...some people don't like to read about how white people can be bad and dangerous.