Originally posted by leonidas
you think he can put mephisto down?
Mephisto's only hope is the 'trick him into giving me his soul' thing he does. If he pulls that off, he wins.
Originally posted by zopzopYeah, unless Mephisto goes for some sort of uncharacteristic physical slugfest or blasting fight I don't see SBP being able to do a lot. The soul thing probably is Meph's only hope, but SBP is more likely to get mad and go into some sort of rampage tantrum before going along with that.
Put down as in kill? No. Franklin Richards couldn't do it (Mephisto just came back albeit slowly). But I don't think Mephisto could do anything to SBP either.Mephisto's only hope is the 'trick him into giving me his soul' thing he does. If he pulls that off, he wins.
I'd take SBP, but I tend to be a lot higher on him than the forum (though apparently about the same as the posters above me). His ridiculously high vs. low showing ratio is about as good as exists in comics, and he had just enough (deliberate) pre-crisis irrationality added to his character's power set to conceivably take on a variety of foe types.
I'll join the ranks that say he wouldn't put down Meph permanently, but I do think he wins.
If the only way to win is to trick him into selling his soul Mephisto might have a shot. Depending on how clever Mephisto is. Prime seems kinda dumb. I'm sure he's probably book smart, but due to having the emotional stability of a teenager he seems far too easy to manipulate.
So he just might get phisted here after all.
Originally posted by Digi
I'd take SBP, but I tend to be a lot higher on him than the forum (though apparently about the same as the posters above me). His ridiculously high vs. low showing ratio is about as good as exists in comics, and he had just enough (deliberate) pre-crisis irrationality added to his character's power set to conceivably take on a variety of foe types.I'll join the ranks that say he wouldn't put down Meph permanently, but I do think he wins.
i can't look at your sig and take anything you say seriously. 😐
and on the note of seriosity--did you look through that canon vs non-canon thread? i only mention it because you got some props for bad a$$ery in there. lol and i know how you love to read people talking good about you. 👆
Originally posted by leonidas
i can't look at your sig and take anything you say seriously. 😐and on the note of seriosity--did you look through that canon vs non-canon thread? i only mention it because you got some props for bad a$$ery in there. lol and i know how you love to read people talking good about you. 👆
Fine. I'll change my signature. Probably just to different silly dogs. But still.
😐
And thanks, I'll have to check it out. I always enjoy soaking up the adoration of internet strangers.
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i don't think anyone gave them 'permission' to deal with souls. there isn't a 'higher power' involved that i know of. preboot mephisto had his (and all demons'😉 origins tied up with the infinity being of gauntlet fame. from there i think i recall him saying something along the lines of all the most powerful demons that split things up and decided to share souls among all the hell lords (splinter realm masters). the whole 'deal thing' is based strictly on myth and legend i think.
anyway, pretty sure mephisto is immune to any physical harm sbp might do to him, and he is capable of battling on the more abstract levels of reality--his battle with warlock (which he lost to the soul gem) was a strange battle of...spirits almost. what defense does prime have against getting pummeled on the astral plane maybe?
Originally posted by leonidas
i don't think anyone gave them 'permission' to deal with souls. there isn't a 'higher power' involved that i know of. preboot mephisto had his (and all demons'😉 origins tied up with the infinity being of gauntlet fame. from there i think i recall him saying something along the lines of all the most powerful demons that split things up and decided to share souls among all the hell lords (splinter realm masters). the whole 'deal thing' is based strictly on myth and legend i think.anyway, pretty sure mephisto is immune to any physical harm sbp might do to him, and he is capable of battling on the more abstract levels of reality--his battle with warlock (which he lost to the soul gem) was a strange battle of...spirits almost. what defense does prime have against getting pummeled on the astral plane maybe?
Originally posted by leonidas
i don't think anyone gave them 'permission' to deal with souls. there isn't a 'higher power' involved that i know of. preboot mephisto had his (and all demons'😉 origins tied up with the infinity being of gauntlet fame. from there i think i recall him saying something along the lines of all the most powerful demons that split things up and decided to share souls among all the hell lords (splinter realm masters). the whole 'deal thing' is based strictly on myth and legend i think.anyway, pretty sure mephisto is immune to any physical harm sbp might do to him, and he is capable of battling on the more abstract levels of reality--his battle with warlock (which he lost to the soul gem) was a strange battle of...spirits almost. what defense does prime have against getting pummeled on the astral plane maybe?
Meph's track record is just so spotty against people objectively lower than (or at least similar to) SBP. I don't disagree with you, and it sounds dumb to suggest SBP could just emo-rage through more abstract attacks like this. But he's also one of the few where that might be a legitimate argument.
I don't have a specific rebuttal to your line of thinking here. I just wouldn't lay any chips down on a bet for Mephisto.
mephisto IS hell.... and sure when he decides to take a physical form he can be smacked around, but if his form is beaten, it doesn't matter. his body has been destroyed before:
http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/OneDumbG0/media/bWVkaWFJZDoyNDgxNzMwOQ==/?ref=
http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/OneDumbG0/media/bWVkaWFJZDoyMjc0MzgwNg==/?ref=
he's been stabbed through the heart and cut and beaten to a mess but it doesn't matter because so long as hell is around he's around--at least by most depictions. we know--have seen on panel--that he uses m-bodies to take a form.
it doesn't matter if those are destroyed. he's a consummate shapeshifter anyway. if he goes intangible, or spiritform? what's prime do then?
sbp would literally need to destroy hell and i don't see that happening. if the battle goes astral, i don't think sbp would have an answer. given his teen angst, it might go very badly there for him given mephisto's ability to manipulate people. /shrug
Originally posted by leonidas
mephisto IS hell.... and sure when he decides to take a physical form he can be smacked around, but if his form is beaten, it doesn't matter. his body has been destroyed before:http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/OneDumbG0/media/bWVkaWFJZDoyNDgxNzMwOQ==/?ref=
http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/OneDumbG0/media/bWVkaWFJZDoyMjc0MzgwNg==/?ref=
he's been stabbed through the heart and cut and beaten to a mess but it doesn't matter because so long as hell is around he's around--at least by most depictions. we know--have seen on panel--that he uses m-bodies to take a form.
it doesn't matter if those are destroyed. he's a consummate shapeshifter anyway. if he goes intangible, or spiritform? what's prime do then?sbp would literally need to destroy hell and i don't see that happening. if the battle goes astral, i don't think sbp would have an answer. given his teen angst, it might go very badly there for him given mephisto's ability to manipulate people. /shrug
Originally posted by leonidas
lol thor has never beaten mephisto down for a win--not physically. meph loses most of the time to thor and ss because of some soul-related shenanigans. show me where thor has physically beaten meph for a win....
I couldn't recall the exact circumstances of the Thor and SS fights, just that they won. But you may be onto something here if he really could no-sell SBP's physical attacks without soul shenanigans.