Which Superman clone is biggest ripoff?

Started by -Pr-10 pages

To be fair, in one of the scripts Bendis literally says "Marvel has its Superman". Take it as you will, but there was at least some intent by some writers.

I cant see it. They have absolutely no similarities outside of being flying bricks. Its a lazy comparison imo

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I cant see it. They have absolutely no similarities outside of being flying bricks. Its a lazy comparison imo

You may be right, but it's a comparison that at least some people in Marvel wanted to foster.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Apples and oranges. Supermans fear is based on his world of cardboard viewpoint. Hes a normal guy with extraordinary power who doesnt want to hurt anyone UNLESS he has to. But when he has to he will. He is by all means not a pussy. Or mentally incapable. Whereas Sentry has been mentally unable to act or simply wiped away his existentence so he wouldnt have to act.

Huge difference

No he is not.

Youre too focused on the superficial aspects (s symbol, tights, flying brick bs) and not the character. Senty/Void is an homage to Miracle Man/Kid Miracleman. They are both middle aged fat blond guys. Both have/had sidekicks. Their stories start out the exact same way. Sentry performs "miracles" . MM performs miracles. Both have fights that leave millions dead...etc

Not A Superman clone

Pssst... Miracleman is a 3rd generation Superman analog by way Captain Marvel as well.

Again: he's Superman with a twist.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I cant see it. They have absolutely no similarities outside of being flying bricks. Its a lazy comparison imo

You don't read Superman comics, clearly. And that's okay.

Those of us who are familiar with both characters know he's a Superman subplot.

Hell, ever see Superman 3 and 4? A split personality with good and dark sides fighting internally? Senrys design=Nuclear Man.

He's a combo of various Superman subplots with references to another 3rd gen Superman analogue.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I cant see it. They have absolutely no similarities outside of being flying bricks. Its a lazy comparison imo

It is.
Even on Marvel's part.

Originally posted by panthergod
Pssst... Miracleman is a 3rd generation Superman analog by way Captain Marvel as well.

Again: he's Superman with a twist.

Superman is the trope identifier, analogue yes..ripoff no

Originally posted by panthergod
You don't read Superman comics, clearly. And that's okay.

Those of us who are familiar with both characters know he's a Superman subplot.

Hell, ever see Superman 3 and 4? A split personality with good and dark sides fighting internally? Senrys design=Nuclear Man.

He's a combo of various Superman subplots with references to another 3rd gen Superman analogue.

If i didnt know the characters story i wouldnt comment. Im not going to make a baseless claim

Superman 3 or 4 arent comics not sure y that was mentioned. Try harder

Which subplots enlighten me?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Superman is the trope identifier, analogue yes..ripoff no

If i didnt know the characters story i wouldnt comment. Im not going to make a baseless claim

Superman 3 or 4 arent comics not sure y that was mentioned. Try harder

Which subplots enlighten me?


So Superman 3 and 4 are not Superman stories now? Ok. Nice deflection though. They are Superman stories that were distributed. far beyond the readership of comics. Superman influence isn't limited to comics. Hasn't been since the 40s.

You specifically stated Sentry is not similar to Superman based on traits specifically grounded in Superman s mythos including mass media and comic book subplots spanning decades in some cases. Ill defined power set is a concept Superman brought to the genre he started. Siegel gave him telepathy shapeshifting electromagnetic powers etc. His concept is peak of human evolution including esoteric abilities going to the Golden Age. Horror at losing control and going insane/corrupted with power? The after math of the Byrne run and mental breakdown going into Exile, Red Glass, Blaze/Satannus War where first encounters Kismet and sees a future where he overcomes his humanized attatchments, Krypton Man arc , and before that Parasites Power Prism arc the Bronze Age. Before that the original King Superman story in the Silver Age.

Those of us who know the character see Sentry for what he is and always been: a Superman subplot with a twist.

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2. Majestic.
3. Sun God.

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Son Goku.

Originally posted by panthergod
So Superman 3 and 4 are not Superman stories now? Ok. Nice deflection though. They are Superman stories that were distributed. far beyond the readership of comics. Superman influence isn't limited to comics. Hasn't been since the 40s.

You specifically stated Sentry is not similar to Superman based on traits specifically grounded in Superman s mythos including mass media and comic book subplots spanning decades in some cases. Ill defined power set is a concept Superman brought to the genre he started. Siegel gave him telepathy shapeshifting electromagnetic powers etc. His concept is peak of human evolution including esoteric abilities going to the Golden Age. Horror at losing control and going insane/corrupted with power? The after math of the Byrne run and mental breakdown going into Exile, Red Glass, Blaze/Satannus War where first encounters Kismet and sees a future where he overcomes his humanized attatchments, Krypton Man arc , and before that Parasites Power Prism arc the Bronze Age. Before that the original King Superman story in the Silver Age.

Those of us who know the character see Sentry for what he is and always been: a Superman subplot with a twist.

Again with the Superman 3/4. Quit reaching. Im aware of his influence i dont require a history lesson. Moving on...

Ive already stated he was an analogue. Not a ripoff. Everything else is an half assed attempt at relating the two using irrelevant evidence. Character conception and execution are wildly different scenarios. Agree to disagree

Originally posted by riv6672
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Gladiator. Blatantly so.


Originally posted by Bentley
Hulk.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Son Goku.

Carver must like this Superman character quite a bit.

This character was the last survivor of a dying planet, whose parents sent him away just before it exploded.

Said planet had incredible gravity, which gave him super strength etc.

He crash landed on Earth, where he was adopted by a kindly old man who taught him morals.

Later on,he uses his incredible powers for good, but always holds back for fear of hurting his opponents.

He's affected by radiation of a certain wavelength, which can give him extra powers.

Who is it?

Hint: he's from anime.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Again with the Superman 3/4. Quit reaching. Im aware of his influence i dont require a history lesson. Moving on...

Ive already stated he was an analogue. Not a ripoff. Everything else is an half assed attempt at relating the two using irrelevant evidence. Character conception and execution are wildly different scenarios. Agree to disagree


Its not a reach, its just a point you can't honestly deny. The Reeve Superman movies-- stories about Superman with Superman themes are among THE biggest influences that the character had over Paul Jenkins generation. You mentioned Sentrys appearance as a reason he isn't a ripoff and you didn't know Sentry very much resembles a prominently shown via global mass media literal Superman clone ,Nuclear Man.

He's a ripoffas much as virtually any character who isn't simply a parody can't be, yes. His concept is a long standing superman theme and prominent reoccurring subplot both Pre- Crisis and Post Crisis versions. he's Superman with a twist. The fact that you aren't knowledgable enough about Superman to judge whether a character who reflects themes and concepts the character had been dealing with for decades including in his most popular and well known incarnations is a blatant rip off past "being a flying brick", as you stated, is duly noted, though.

Originally posted by panthergod

You specifically stated Sentry is not similar to Superman based on traits specifically grounded in Superman s mythos including mass media and comic book subplots spanning decades in some cases.

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Most of his plot and most of his traits are relative directly to Superman.

Even his whole can't save everyone, even though he can hear and see it all, and have to choose who lives and dies has been a Superman plot before, which was one of Sentry's early plots.

Then his concern over control of his power has been the subject of many Superman plots, as discussed here.

As said, his costume, his stature, his posture, his nicknames[Golden Guardian vs Metropolis Marvel], his S symbol, the alliterations of names that surround him including his own but especially the LL[Linda Lee vs Lois Lane/Lana Lang] that Clark surrounds himself with is the same, etc.

Almost everything about him top to bottom is Superman.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This character was the last survivor of a dying planet, whose parents sent him away just before it exploded.

Said planet had incredible gravity, which gave him super strength etc.

He crash landed on Earth, where he was adopted by a kindly old man who taught him morals.

Later on,he uses his incredible powers for good, but always holds back for fear of hurting his opponents.

He's affected by radiation of a certain wavelength, which can give him extra powers.

Who is it?

Hint: he's from anime.

I'm no weebo, you have to help me here 😕

The answer is......drum roll please....

Son Goku!!!

From Cowboy Bebop?