Originally posted by NewGuy01
Luke said he found Shimmra in particular to be as frightening as Palpatine, though. I think you'd need a Mace or Anakin level duelist to play ball with him, tbh.
As is the theory that every character based assessment is a direct measurement of combat power.
Edit : unless, you and I have different statements in mind.
@Newguy, if this is the statement you're thinking about, it doesn't really tell me where Shimmra stands up to Palpatine as a powerhouse.
Instead, Shimrra was very much alive and all the more intimidating for it. In him was concentrated the combined strength of the Yuuzhan Vong species, and if he couldn't be defeated, then all that Luke had done to reach this point would amount to nothing. He was the largest Yuuzhan Vong Luke had ever seen, with lean limbs, a massive head, and an upper body so thoroughly branded and tattooed it was impossible to distinguish flesh from garment.Widely placed, his slightly slanted eyes gleamed in shifting colors. He wore a ceremonial cape made of tanned hide. Curled sedately around his left forearm was a thick-bodied amphistaff with an intricately patterned head. Only in his bemusement was Shimrra similar to the enemy Luke had confronted at Endor, on the incomplete Death Star.
Much as the Emperor had trusted in the power of the dark side of the Force, the Supreme Overlord trusted entirely in the power of the gods. And similar to that pivotal moment in the Galactic Civil War, a battle was raging in the skies.
- TUF
All it tells me is that Shimmra was to the Vong War what Palpatine was to the Galactic Civil War.
Good job, you can exclusively highlight and address irrelevant information in a passage. Do me a favor and highlight the first paragraph for me, as well as the one above that which you oddly failed to include in your quote. Then we can talk about how Luke's estimation regards only the situation's political relevance as opposed to the big ugly himself.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
He also thought Ben > Sidious, which I agree with, but I doubt you do.
Apparently Ben is a 6 and Vader is a 4, according to early commentary on ANH. Sidious is 20% above Vader, making him a 5, therefore Ben must be the stronger between the two if Lucas is to be believed. 👆
I like how this part was left out:
"When Luke had been brought before the Emperor, Palpatine's visage had been familiar to him from images that had reached even remote Tatooine, and his inherent power was immediately evident.
The Supreme Overlord, however, was a void Luke could not fathom. He wasn't a shell of a human in a hooded cloak, more energy than flesh. Nor was his face that of a Sith Master, prematurely wizened by years of calling on dark power.
Instead, Shimrra was very much alive and all the more intimidating for it. In him was concentrated the combined strength of the Yuuzhan Vong species, and if he couldn't be defeated, then all that Luke had done to reach this point would amount to nothing. "
Shimrra's power was something Luke couldn't even fathom and he considered him more intimidating than Palpatine. 👆
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Originally posted by NewGuy01
Good job, you can exclusively highlight and address irrelevant information in a passage. Do me a favor and highlight the first paragraph for me, as well as the one above that which you oddly failed to include in your quote. Then we can talk about how Luke's estimation regards only the situation's political relevance as opposed to the big ugly himself.
Yeah, If the passage I "oddly" missed out was the one Mythlord just posted then the premise remains unchanged. The fact that you've interpreted that Palpatine must absolutely be an equal to Shimmra in fighting prowess, because the situations are being compared, this is of course being before Luke actually fights him, signals a one dimensional thought process that doesn't stretch much further than a rabid interest for VS battles. If that's the case, than your snark is better dispensed elsewhere.
Now regarding Luke's estimation, how is he even comparing them? Given that Shimraa (spelling) isn't emitting a Force presence that can be measured or sensed? What, did you decide that his lack of force connection (the void spoken of here) can now be pin pointed to an exact power level given that it's something Luke couldn't even fathom?
Moving on, for your original claim to be true, as Shimra can not be properly power scaled via Jedi Sensing, you have to have the comparison being made after the fight, not before. Otherwise we can take two things from this. That one, Shimmra is the last (other than Omni) boss of the Vong War and that Palpatine is the last boss of the Galactic Civil War. They are similar in that respect. And lastly, that Shimmra is more physically intimidating than the Emperor, given that he isn't a wrinkly old man with a cloak.