Originally posted by Robtard
I know of Ayaan Hirshi Ali, mostly due to her connection to Theo Van Gough and his murder.Be real for a moment though, you don't give a single shit about Ayaan Hirshi Ali and her fight for women's rights. All you care is that she's critical of Islam.
Lol@ your post. You'll believe the answers when it fits the narrative you already believe and will dismiss anything else.
Do you feel that Linda Sarsour is the type of person a sane feminist would want heavily associated with a march meant to celebrate and empower women?
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@surtur I already told you I don't really know who this Sansour is aside from the basics. I don't follow her or her works like you apparently do, sport.
The name rang a bell as I recalled it coming up during your flips over the peaceful Woman's March last year. I noted that even when a march is peaceful, you still have problems; this was noted because you previously pretended that the only time you had problems with marches is when they became violent. Thereby pwning yourself and showing how you really have an issue with women in general.
Though it should be noted that you only have problems with marches when you view them as "Liberal/Left" sided. You certainly had no real problem with a hundreds of Alt-Right marching around and spewing hate-speech in Charlotsville.
Originally posted by Robtard
@surtur I already told you I don't really know who this Sansour is aside from the basics. I don't follow her or her works like you apparently do, sport.The name rang a bell as I recalled it coming up during your flips over the peaceful Woman's March last year. I noted that even when a march is peaceful, you still have problems; this was noted because you previously pretended that the only time you had problems with marches is when they became violent. Thereby pwning yourself and showing how you really have an issue with women in general.
Though it should be noted that you only have problems with marches when you view them as "Liberal/Left" sided. You certainly had no real problem with a hundreds of Alt-Right marching around and spewing hate-speech in Charlotsville.
I still feel they should be allowed to march even if they want a kunt like Sarsour involved. I quite correctly noted the hypocrisy of the march letting someone like Sarsour be involved.
Originally posted by Robtard
Be real for a moment though, you don't give a single shit about Ayaan Hirshi Ali and her fight for women's rights. All you care is that she's critical of Islam.
Here's the thing a lot of people don't understand. A lot of people think people on the right don't care about rights, I mean how could we if we oppose the social justice movements?
The answer is simple, a lot of us do support rights. For a lot of us rights are built on the concept of individual sovereignty, and what we oppose are people who seek "rights" that are detached from the notion of individual sovereignty.
Someone such as myself supports the expansion of the moral and legal franchise on the basis of individual sovereignty. Point to issues in the past like suffrage, slavery and government enforced segregation, and my stance is unequivocally clear. Give me more modern issues, such as female genital mutilation or gay marriage, and I'll loudly and proudly take a stance on that.
It's when the "civil rights movement" tilts away from a universality and individual sovereignty to the point of this weird social and economic planning under the guise of "rights" that someone such as myself or Surtur takes issue with it.
Affirmative action is not a universalist standard, nor is it an individualist standard. It could be said about setting a goal of diversity that it is not individualist or universalist, as it devalues the individual in favor of their group identity and holds different people to different standards based on their group identity.
Same with the popularized critical theory definition of bigotry, where you can only be racist or sexist if you belong to a certain group. That's certainly not a universal principle, and it's something that definitely isn't individualist as it ascribes collective guilt and collective innocence to specific groups regardless of the guilt or innocence of the constituent elements within those groups.
It's certainly not the case that universality and individualism are upheld with "listen and believe." It's not universalist if you are expected to default believe a woman who accuses a man of something as egregious of rape, but not a man who accuses a woman of something as egregious as lying about rape. It also doesn't bode well for individual sovereignty to undercut the presumption of innocence, which is something that exists to protect the individual from the collective.
And then there's areas where it's a little more nuanced.
Take abortion for example, I may disagree with the pro-choice position, but fundamentally its an issue around the conflict of individual sovereignty between two parties.
Or take the transgender bathroom thing. That's an issue I always find a little weird because it claims segregating bathrooms on the basis of biological sex is bigoted... but segregating bathrooms on the basis of gender identity is desirable. A little odd.
It's disingenuous to suggest someone such as myself or Surtur wouldn't care about actual human rights violations just because we oppose a lot of what the modern social justice movement has to offer... which we do on the basis of the same principles that underlied the historic civil rights movement and stand in fierce opposition to things like FGM.
My point: He brought up Ayaan Hirshi Ali as a victim. I was just noting that the only reason he has an interest in her is that she's uber-critical of Islam; not her fight for women's rights.
Remove the Islam criticism aspect out of her; she's just another feminist. I think we all know how he feels towards feminist.
Originally posted by Robtard
My point: He brought up Ayaan Hirshi Ali as a victim. I was just noting that the only reason he has an interest in her is that she's uber-critical of Islam; not her fight for women's rights.Remove the Islam criticism aspect out of her; she's just another feminist. I think we all know how he feels towards feminist.
It's no secret how I feel towards 3rd wave feminists yes they are indeed generally awful. I do not hate all feminists and no it's not just feminists critical of Islam I support. I have mentioned Christine Hoff Summers before. Camile Paglia is another feminist I respect.
Also if you knew anything about Ali you'd know that even if you remove the Islam aspect she is not a 3rd wave feminist either.
Originally posted by Robtard
Guess you don't recall Stigma's thread. It was titled: Camille Paglia and Christina Hoff Sommers Demolish Modern FeminismBut sure, there's a flurry of feminist you fancy. *wink*
Lol stop pretending like the average person can rattle off a huge lists of feminists they admire.
I never said there is a huge list. I merely correctly pointed out that generally my issue is with 3rd wave feminists, not all feminists.