Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You passed it off as a legitimate argument. So either you openly knew the flawed reasoning and hoped he wouldn't recognize it, or were ignorant enough to not. I'm not sure which is worse, but both are quite bad.
Anyway, since you argue the quote was exclusively from Scourge's perspective despite it describing Revan's desires, mind posting the whole thing?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"Recognizing that the Emperor is undefeatable, Scourge kills Meetra and betrays Revan."In other words:
"Scourge kills Meetra and betrays Revan, recognizing that the Emperor is undefeatable."
Thus, it is of Scourge's own "recognition" (or opinion) that the Emperor is undefeatable.
I say nein:
identify (someone or something) from having encountered them before; know again.
to perceive as existing or true; realize:
That he recognizes something in a quote that is outlining what multiple characters are thinking isn't sufficient to show that this is specifically from Scourge's perspective. That multiple characters have their reasoning described indicates this is objective narration. And when objective narration notes something to be a recognition, that's the equivalent of noting such a claim as fact.
Furthermore, you've failed to explain why this being Scourge's opinion renders my argument illegitimate when Scourge has no reason to be biased here.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66I'd like to see those quotes, anyways. And, regardless, it should provide a gauge to help judge the Flashpoint bosses in terms of the SWTOR protagonists (in a way other than "it takes 4 to safely kill one of them"😉.
None exists. Revan conceded inferiority to Act II HoT when he got out of prison, not during the Foundry. It's stated Revan is the most powerful Jedi ever as of the Foundry.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"Recognizing that the Emperor is undefeatable, Scourge kills Meetra and betrays Revan."In other words:
"Scourge kills Meetra and betrays Revan, recognizing that the Emperor is undefeatable."
Thus, it is of Scourge's own "recognition" (or opinion) that the Emperor is undefeatable.
Scourge is merely recognizing an universal truth estabilished by the narrator - that the Emperor is undefeatable.
Kbro is correct.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
That he recognizes something in a quote that is outlining what multiple characters are thinking isn't sufficient to show that this is specifically from Scourge's perspective. That multiple characters have their reasoning described indicates this is objective narration. And when objective narration notes something to be a recognition, that's the equivalent of noting such a claim as fact.
The specific quote is what Scourge is thinking of, not what multiple characters are.
It doesn't even imply otherwise. It's so laughably direct.
Originally posted by Haschwalth
Anyway scourge made that assertion he was undefeatable after Revan was taken down by Vitiate's lightning.
It's not Scourge that makes the assertion. He recognizes the Emperor is undefeatable and he only recognizes it because it's immediately established as a universal truth by the narrator.
Revan being taken down is just a consequence of the Emperor being undefeatable, not the cause of it.
Originally posted by TenebrousWay
It's not Scourge that makes the assertion. He recognizes the Emperor is undefeatable and he only recognizes it because it's immediately established as a universal truth by the narrator.Revan being taken down is just a consequence of the Emperor being undefeatable, not the cause of it.
Lol, what. He perfectly was defeatable, otherwise Scourge wouldn't of had visions of Revan defeating Vitiate.
Originally posted by TenebrousWay
That the Emperor is undefeatable (in that particular circunstance) is the "opinion" of the narrator not Scourge's. Scourge simply recognizes what the narrator establishes. I literally can't be more clear than this.
The term "recognizes," therefore, must be referencing to the vision of "clarity" that Scourge has.
Seems like your interpretation is wrong and mine is right - shocker.