Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
The OP specifies it's PR Beyonder anyways, lmfao.
Beyonder wins PRE or POST retcon.
Originally posted by Galan007
Death of the Endless is definitely superior to Marvel's iteration of Death(as are ALL concepts embodied by the Endless, imo.)
I see this going the exact same way as it did in Secret Wars II #6.
Well, they're both ranked 1-B at Vsbattle.
Which means absolutely nothing. Basically, all it takes is a blurb about existing outside of a multiverse to rank as 1-A, which PR Beyonder doesn't qualify as for existing in the "Beyond" universe, a tremendously large -verse. yet still a -verse.
Funny how this logic works to the advantage of something like the Lovecraft-Verse, who I'm certain had no concept at all of the theories these nerds are exploiting..
Originally posted by Astner...Death of the Endless was shown as the final force that ends creation, along with absolutely EVERYTHING within it(even conceptual beings.) Afaik, that is vastly above anything Marvel Death has done on panel..? mmm
And to my knowledge Death of the Endless doesn't have any impressive feats.
Originally posted by Galan007
...Death of the Endless was shown as the final force that ends creation, along with absolutely EVERYTHING within it(even conceptual beings.) Afaik, that is vastly above anything Marvel Death has done on panel..? mmm
Anyway, I think you're overstating the role of the Endless. From Sandman #16:
"We exist because they know, deep in their hearts, that we exist."
They exist and are sustained by the beliefs of the living. Or that's how I interpret it.
Originally posted by AstnerBooks of Magic #4(original series) -- Death is literally SHOWN fulfilling her purpose. I've posted the scans here dozens of times.
I know it's been stated, but when was it shown?
As for the Endless: their roles as multiversal conceptual embodiments have been reiterated time and time again on panel(as recently as Overture, and even Morrison's Map of the Multiverse -- which proves they even preside over higher-dimensional planes as well.) A cherry-picked scan doesn't change that, I'm afraid... But I'm not about to get into this argument yet again with you and zop... Your opinion(s) are obviously not going to change, so discussing the Endless with you is really just a waste of time. /shrug
MythLord did it for a few:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/wollfmyth209/blog/destiny-of-the-endless-respect-thread/131521/
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/wollfmyth209/blog/delirium-of-the-endless-respect-thread/131441/
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/wollfmyth209/blog/dream-of-the-endless-morpheus-respect-thread/131403/
Oh, and this: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/respect-death-of-the-endless-1787365/
Originally posted by Galan007Then you should have no problem using the search function to find one of those posts and share it.
Books of Magic #4(original series) -- Death is literally SHOWN fulfilling her purpose. I've posted the scans here dozens of times.
Originally posted by Galan007Morrison's work and Gaiman's work have little if any overlap. Gaiman—as far as I recall—never uses the word multiverse. And I'm not too familiar with Morrison's work, but I don't think anyone but Gaiman writes stories for the Endless, not counting cameos.
As for the Endless: their roles as multiversal conceptual embodiments have been reiterated time and time again on panel(as recently as Overture, and even Morrison's Map of the Multiverse -- which proves they even preside over higher-dimensional planes as well.)
Originally posted by Galan007It's not cherry-picked, it's from the original series that everyone has read and that was remastered as recently as 2010.
A cherry-picked scan doesn't change that, I'm afraid...
Originally posted by Galan007[list=1][*]We've never had this particular argument.
But I'm not about to get into this argument yet again with you and zop... Your opinion(s) are obviously not going to change, so discussing the Endless with you is really just a waste of time. /shrug
@Astner
To be fair to Galan he HAS posted it so many times, he's probably sick of looking at the scan. But here it is :
Doesn't make a difference though. That scan you posted with Dream/Desire is damning. The Endless are totally dependent on living things for their powers and very existence! Explains a lot really.
^ It's only 'damning' if you've never thought about the concepts embodied by some of the Endless. Dream, for example, embodies the dreams of all sentient beings across creation. If there were all of the sudden no sentient beings left in creation to dream, then Dream himself would obviously lose his conceptual purpose and become irrelevant -- this is when Death would take him. The same concept applies to quite a few members of the family... It's a pretty basic and self-explanatory concept, tbh. I'm surprised you guys are just now realizing/grasping this. 😕
However, other members of the Endless are NOT at all reliant on the existence of others to preserve themselves -- hence why Death, for example, was completely unaffected by the destruction of ALL creation, and simply 'locked the door behind her' as she left the void.
