Originally posted by Sable
After the Spartans, kill thousands of the plebian lannisters with the help of Hector Achilles. Theseus's last breath and all the spartans dead. He tosses the epicurs bow to Achilles. Achilles with his extreme speed, strength and mobility begins wrecking crew. He becomes overwhelmed so heads through the hot gates and the lannisters follow. Achilles then brings the hot gates down on top of them with the godly weapon. Achilles then heads to Sparta and beds down the Queen.
Okay so with all the Spartans dead, and Achilles the only one. How does he stop an arrow storm? Or just casks of wildfire being launched at him?
How does he survive the initial wave of wildfire that sticks to everything like napalm?
He runs into the hot gates and uses it as cover along with his shield. If you watch Troy, he blocked arrows while facing the opposite direction right before impact. He knows and has uber sensory abilities to know how to do that. Along with massive speed and reflexes.
Who said the lannisters are starting off with the most dangerous attack first?
Originally posted by Sable
He runs into the hot gates and uses it as cover along with his shield. If you watch Troy, he blocked arrows while facing the opposite direction right before impact. He knows and has uber sensory abilities to know how to do that. Along with massive speed and reflexes.Who said the lannisters are starting off with the most dangerous attack first?
That's exactly what they did at Blackwater. And it's what they did at the Sept. The Lannisters don't f*ck around. They kill people and go home.
Arrows first probably. If they survive that, they start lobbing stones and ballista. Keep it going, the mounted knights run them down as no Phalanx will survive a cavalry charge.
But they could end it all extremely quickly because as advantageous as the Hot Gates are to keep people from getting in. It's the exact opposite for Tywin. It's perfect for keeping the Spartans from running. All he has to do is drop Wildfire right in the middle of them and the flames will spread through the Spartans and up the walls. They'll be in an oven in moments.
And Tywin is a tactical mastermind.
Tywin is dead.
Also how are they dumpung it on the Spartans who have legs and feet and all that which enables them to walk, jog and run at a high speed.
Theseus was trained by Zeus, Achilles is himself part god, and Hector are tactical masterminds, Theasus would immediatly take down the catapaults and ballistcas with the bow.
Not from beginning of the series or the Red Wedding.
Only currently is Tywin dead. So he's in full effect for two of the rounds.
Without him the Lannister's are led by Jaime and Cersei. And Cersei will most definitely use Wildfire as soon as she can.
Really? You think they're gonna just slather them in Wildfire? All they have to do are shoot Wildfire coated arrows. And launch barrels of it at them.
Theseus skill won't help against hundreds of thousands of troops and even more arrows or wildfire. Achilles isn't part God in that movie, just really good.
Theseus doesn't even know what a catapult or a ballista is. Why would he think to attack until it's already been fired?
He is part god, hence why hes stronger, faster and a better fighter. He was speaking to his mother in the movie, who was a god. He has said he has seen gods. Its not like he had any better training then Hector that we know of, who was already a legend, he was superior to Hector in every way bc of his godlyness amped him which made him faster and stronger. Also if you watch the behind the scenes. The director said they wanted Achilles to have a unique type of fighting style because he was a demigod, and wanted him to be different then anyone else.
Originally posted by Sable
His mother was an immortal goddess as said in the movie, cut the crap.
Where was it said? Can you put up the scene or tell me where in the movie for confirmation?
Because the only video I can find of her is Thetis(his mother) giving him a prophecy about his death and glory should he go to Troy. No mention of her being a Sea Nymph/Goddess.
Wolfgang Petersen might've said something in behind-the-scenes footage, but it was never stated Achilles was a demigod in Troy; just Thetis' foretelling Achilles' death if he went to war. The whole premise of Troy was adapting The Iliad's tale of the Trojan War without any of the Greek mythological dieties' involvement.
Hence why there was no mention of Paris choosing Aphrodites' offer of the most beautiful woman on Earth vs Athena's offer of battle abilities or Hera's offer of ownership of all the land comprising Europe and Asia.
Petersen and crew might've been trying to allude to Achilles' mythological roots with his capabilities, but it was not stated in the movie. It's just understood that he was the best of the best of the best, sir, with honors.
Originally posted by John Murdoch
Wolfgang Petersen might've said something in behind-the-scenes footage, but it was never stated Achilles was a demigod in Troy; just Thetis' foretelling Achilles' death if he went to war. The whole premise of Troy was adapting The Iliad's tale of the Trojan War without any of the Greek mythological dieties' involvement.Hence why there was no mention of Paris choosing Aphrodites' offer of the most beautiful woman on Earth vs Athena's offer of battle abilities or Hera's offer of ownership of all the land comprising Europe and Asia.
Petersen and crew might've been trying to allude to Achilles' mythological roots with his capabilities, but it was not stated in the movie. It's just understood that he was the best of the best of the best, sir, with honors.
Exactly. Thank you.
Originally posted by KingD19
Where was it said? Can you put up the scene or tell me where in the movie for confirmation?Because the only video I can find of her is Thetis(his mother) giving him a prophecy about his death and glory should he go to Troy. No mention of her being a Sea Nymph/Goddess.
Wrong. Its mentioned right before he fights Boagreous.
Originally posted by John Murdoch
Wolfgang Petersen might've said something in behind-the-scenes footage, but it was never stated Achilles was a demigod in Troy; just Thetis' foretelling Achilles' death if he went to war. The whole premise of Troy was adapting The Iliad's tale of the Trojan War without any of the Greek mythological dieties' involvement.Hence why there was no mention of Paris choosing Aphrodites' offer of the most beautiful woman on Earth vs Athena's offer of battle abilities or Hera's offer of ownership of all the land comprising Europe and Asia.
Petersen and crew might've been trying to allude to Achilles' mythological roots with his capabilities, but it was not stated in the movie. It's just understood that he was the best of the best of the best, sir, with honors.
They mention dieties' many times. Almost in every major scene they talk about the gods. Achilles decapitates Apollo on the shores he just conquered, and his commander shreaked in fear. Achilles also said he has seen the gods. They pray to Posiedon for a safe voyage as well.
His mother the immortal goddess said she knew they would come for him one day. How could she know that if she didnt have foresight and knowledge of his physical superiority.
Originally posted by Sable
They mention dieties' many times. Almost in every major scene they talk about the gods. Achilles decapitates Apollo on the shores he just conquered, and his commander shreaked in fear. Achilles also said he has seen the gods. They pray to Posiedon for a safe voyage as well.His mother the immortal goddess said she knew they would come for him one day. How could she know that if she didnt have foresight and knowledge of his physical superiority.
Bro, I understand that they mention the Greek gods like Apollo, Poseidon, etc. But mentioning the Greek gods and them actually existing in-universe like in Clash of the Titans or Immortals is WAY WAY different than what was portrayed in Troy.
In The Iliad and various mythological accounts surrounding the events of the Trojan War, the Greek gods are actually physically present walking around and doing stuff. Just cause Achilles cuts the head off an Apollo statue doesn't mean that Apollo existed in-universe. That was a major complaint when the movie came out: Petersen, Benioff, and crew stripped the Greek deities out of their adaptation of The Iliad.
An excerpt from an interview conducted by Daniel Robert Epstein of Screenwriter's Utopia with David Benioff about Benioff's writing of the film Troy:
DRE: How important was the absence of the Greek gods in Troy?
DB: It’s very important. It was part of the pitch from the get go. I really wanted to concentrate on the human aspect of the story. When Paris fights Menelaus in the book, it’s fairly similar to the way it is in the movie except at the end, when Paris is about to get killed, Aphrodite magically teleports him from the battlefield to Helen’s chamber in the palace. I just didn’t want it that way. I didn’t want to see the gods coming in and using magic to change the course of events. I really didn’t want to see an actor in a toga throwing CGI thunderbolts from the top of a CGI Mount Olympus because it becomes a much different movie. It really becomes much more about the effects and a magic kind of fantasy. I think the truly tragic, truly human element to this story is without the gods."