Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbeI think going back in time through speed alone is more uber than stopping time or beating instant teleportation but maybe that's just me.
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To be fair, the way I've seen such maneuvers handled may have left me with a lack of appreciation for Superman's technique ...
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElI have never seen you make a pro superman argument, your arguments are always against.
"Always" is easy to disprove. Simply google "bluewaterrider Superman".
The very 2nd hit will be "Abomination versus Superman" where I argue for Superman winning. So there's no such thing as "always".
I'll grant that I OFTEN argue against Superman, though.
Moreover, I generally don't bother acknowledging things that I think will be obvious to the average person and focus instead on trying to understand what the person I'm conversing with might have in their mind.
For instance, I think Superman versus Ironman would be a win for Superman.
I, like you, consider that result practically a foregone conclusion. So I myself wouldn't bother posting a thread like that. And if the poster of such a thread made it clear they were talking about standard comic book Iron Man versus Superman, I wouldn't bother posting in such a thread, either.
Why would I waste the time?
Who DOESN'T know who would win the generic form of that battle?
However, if I'm reasonably certain the poster has special circumstances in mind that he either doesn't KNOW make the circumstance he's thinking of special, and/or doesn't know how to express himself and has an idea that I think is viable and reasonably arguable, then I don't mind helping the poster present and develop their argument, curious as to whose case is actually stronger.
Accordingly, if you search "Iron Man versus Superman" you will see me wondering aloud if the original poster (OP) of that thread might have in mind "Extremis" Iron Man, which possessed nanotechnology visually similar to the kind we saw DEFEAT DCnU Superman in the early issues of the 2011-era reboot.
You'll also see me presenting some of Stark's "Buster" armor specials, which have enabled him to take on heavy hitters all the way up to World War Hulk and King Thor, or his remarkable showing against Magneto.
Then, too this ignores the portrayals in other media of the character (though I don't think the Avengers movie had yet been released, which shows Iron Man giving a reasonably good account of himself against Thor, a character consistently ranked as a Superman peer).
None of that is detraction from Superman, but it's easy to see how fans of the character can misconstrue that as such. You are far less "neutral" than you believe, Salsa.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
"Always" is easy to disprove. Simply google "bluewaterrider Superman".
The very 2nd hit will be "Abomination versus Superman" where I argue for Superman winning. So there's no such thing as "always".I'll grant that I OFTEN argue against Superman, though.
Moreover, I generally don't bother acknowledging things that I think will be obvious to the average person and focus instead on trying to understand what the person I'm conversing with might have in their mind.For instance, I think Superman versus Ironman would be a win for Superman.
such a thread, either.
I, like you, consider that result practically a foregone conclusion. So I myself wouldn't bother posting a thread like that. And if the poster of such a thread made it clear they were talking about standard comic book Iron Man versus Superman, I wouldn't bother posting [b]in
Why would I waste the time?
Who DOESN'T know who would win the generic form of that battle?However, if I'm reasonably certain the poster has special circumstances in mind that he either doesn't KNOW make the circumstance he's thinking of special, and/or doesn't know how to express himself and has an idea that I think is viable and reasonably arguable, then I don't mind helping the poster present and develop their argument, curious as to whose case is actually stronger.
Accordingly, if you search "Iron Man versus Superman" you will see me wondering aloud if the original poster (OP) of that thread might have in mind "Extremis" Iron Man, which possessed nanotechnology visually similar to the kind we saw DEFEAT DCnU Superman in the early issues of the 2011-era reboot.
You'll also see me presenting some of Stark's "Buster" armor specials, which have enabled him to take on heavy hitters all the way up to World War Hulk and King Thor, or his remarkable showing against Magneto.Then, too this ignores the portrayals in other media of the character (though I don't think the Avengers movie had yet been released, which shows Iron Man giving a reasonably good account of himself against Thor, a character consistently ranked as a Superman peer).
None of that is detraction from Superman, but it's easy to see how fans of the character can misconstrue that as such. You are far less "neutral" than you believe, Salsa. [/B]
Yes. I am probably bias because I happen to have read more Superman comics than you and know things about superman you don't, like Delta, Abhi, Philo or Juntai. And I am stating this as a fact IIRC accepted by you. As we read most of Superman's books.
So pardon us for our bias of showing you evidence that We didn't write. 👆
And Often you are against Superman maybe not all the time but I hardly recall any post from you that is not like that.
Often and almost always has little or no difference
Let me give an example:
I often drink and I am am alcaholic
I almost always drink an I am an alcaholic
See? Just replace the word alcaholic with Superman antogonist, hater or detractor. 🙂 👆
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElAs for the second part about being a hardcore feminist.
It is just the impression I get from the posts I read from you.
I am not against equality i am up for it but in my opinion you are not as the impression I get from your post is that you are more pro woman than pro man, not really neutral, usually you give the kudos to the female, specially if is a female vs superman.
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Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Yes. I am probably bias because I happen to have read more Superman comics than you and know things about superman you don't, like Delta, Abhi, Philo or Juntai. And I am stating this as a fact IIRC accepted by you. As we read most of Superman's books.So pardon us for our bias of showing you evidence that We didn't write. 👆
And Often you are against Superman maybe not all the time but I hardly recall any post from you that is not like that.
Progress. Already we've moved from you speaking in absolutes to making qualified statements.
As for bias, it's NOT just related to amount of reading in the group you're talking about, including yourself. Delta's is so well known that you yourself sought to dissuade him from being a judge in a battlezone, explaining he would be perceived as biased owing to his reputation. I don't recall any interaction with this "Juntai" of yours, he's probably not a frequent poster. Not even gonna bother mentioning one of the names on your list, but as for "Philo" (aka Philosophia), even HE recognizes the decided lack of objectivity in your group, to say little of the rest of KMC ...
Originally posted by Philosophia
Haha, I love how you're afraid to back martians against the kryptonians, but are willing to go the other way AND have a panel of judges comprised almost solely of Superman fans.You know the best part?
I agree even under these stipulations. I always have fun arguing against what I believe.
Digi, Pr, Abhi, Rao, Delta, Martian Mind and Darksaint as judges?
Cool ...
Originally posted by CogitoSo Philo has his own arguments and the judges stacked against him This is...interesting.,
Even if you win, you lose, but I'll be hella proud 👆 ...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=640823&pagenumber=8
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
See if you can get it now.Or besides bias you are also slow?
No right?
The uncharacteristic way you're responding tells me you're not as you usually are and I'm genuinely sorry to see that.
At any rate, there WAS something I'd been meaning to address, pertaining to a much earlier comment:
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Ahhh!
Pre crisis era ...
where even by comics standards, **+% didn't make sense ...
It might be worth it to point out that Silver Age (SA) Superman and pre-crisis Superman are not necessarily the same.
What we've actually been discussing after Surtur's input, for instance, has been the BRONZE Age version of Superman. It might be interesting to see how the actual late 1950s/1960s era Superman, the "proper" and "true" Silver Age version of the character, performed in terms of speed.
It would seem to lend further support to the idea that he is less speedy than the specialist that post-crisis SpeedForce Flash is:
Source: Lois Lane #28
Editor: Mort Weisinger
Penciller: John Forte
Date: October 1961
Originally posted by cdtm
Edit: Forget whatever you saw here.
I can't! Now I know somebody somewhere is a fan of Iron Fist and Sabretooth!
My world has been shattered!
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
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Originally posted by cdtmkind of implies women can't compete with men on a level playing field ...
Depends on the field.
General point is that to get equality of outcome, you need differing levels of input. What most people consider "fair" is often far from it.
