Originally posted by Insane Titan
Any real posters wish too comment and not the bias troll ones.
1. Superman
2. Superman
MM was weakened and all who think that Sentry is on MMs level is delusional. At least partially.
A human who is resistant to Xaviers tp power would beat the shit out of him, this doesn't mean that he is as powerful as Xavier, it means he is a weakness for this char.
Same might be true for Sentry and MM. But the hypocrisy goes further, we know the exact power level of Sentry and how much it takes to kill him physically. WWH stalemated him and Thor killed him with a physical blow. So Sentry might be resitant to matter manip but not as resistant to physical damage. People argue that his mental state is unstable and so those are low feats, guess whose mental state is also unstable and was so during the DA arc? MM. He is as mentally feeble as Sentry, even more so and so his powers fluctuate.
If someone wants to prove that Sentry is outright more powerful than MM at his best, show me a feat that is comparable to warping the Multiverse pls.
So yes, the mentally weakned MM will be blitzes, as OWAW Supes didn't hesitate and went for the kill. MM is still only human and won't tank it. If MM would have the first shot Supes would resist it in the state MM was in. From a full power MM? Only if he really is protected by the presence.
Originally posted by Insane TitanSo you make a thread about superman vs someone. Then when people say that superman loses, you call them bias trolls and want posters you call real to post and say superman wins revealing your intentions from the start. WOW! Just, WOW!
Any real posters wish too comment and not the bias troll ones.
Originally posted by JBLyeah when the first 2 ppl who comment are the most bias trolls on here along with you.
So you make a thread about superman vs someone. Then when people say that superman loses, you call them bias trolls and want posters you call real to post and say superman wins revealing your intentions from the start. WOW! Just, WOW!
One poster trolls the ownage looking for superman feats to lowball and the other thinks Sentry is second to only the TOAA 😂 so yeah my comment is 100% legit.
So why don't you get upset about it more f*ggot.
May I comment like I was a Prof, Prof ?
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
1. Superman
2. Superman
I disagree.
The weakened MM whom put the shit out of the Avengers in Avengers #259 would destroy Superman and at this time he just stopped to believe that he needed his Wood Wand and still believed that he couldn't affect organic molecules...
MM was weakened and all who think that Sentry is on MMs level is delusional. At least partially.
That's wrong.
MM wasn't weakened or depowered.
The only condition for MM to be weakened / depowered is for him to believe that his powers doesn't work and that there is things that he cannot do, which always directly specified on panel.
Here that was the opposite, Owen proved that he recovered the lack of beliefs in his powers that he had when he was incarcerated into the Raft, at this time he thought that he couldn't affect genetic material and was lacking imagination when using his powers... That was clearly not the case in Dark Avengers thus...
Molecule Man was at full power, that's an evidence.
A human who is resistant to Xaviers tp power would beat the shit out of him, this doesn't mean that he is as powerful as Xavier, it means he is a weakness for this char.
That's true in that specific case however we know the case for Sentry Vs Molecule Man was different.
Same might be true
"might be"
You aren't sure ?
Please back-up your claim with evidence.
for Sentry and MM.
Wrong
But the hypocrisy goes further, we know the exact power level of Sentry and how much it takes to kill him physically.
False premise.
WWH stalemated him
While Sentry was weakened by his Agoraphobia which he suffered during 29 hours and ultimately made him lose the control of his powers against Green Scar.
and Thor killed him with a physical blow.
Sentry was begging Thor to kill him and turned off his durability to allow him to do it.
So Sentry might be resitant to matter manip but not as resistant to physical damage.
Wrong.
Sentry beat Molecule Man on panel with similar powers of reality warping / molecule manipulation.
People argue that his mental state is unstable and so those are low feats
If you had check the symptoms of Agoraphobia and Generalized Anxiety Disorder along with Sentry's power-set you should have understand how the character work instead of making this pointless rant.
guess whose mental state is also unstable and was so during the DA arc? MM. He is as mentally feeble as Sentry, even more so and so his powers fluctuate.
Misconception.
Molecule Man's powers only fluctuate according to his beliefs into them.
His mental state doesn't matter if it doesn't affect directly Molecule Man's beliefs in his powers and Molecule Man was extremely confident in everything he could accomplish using his powers in DA.
Molecule Man was at full power in DA.
If someone wants to prove that Sentry is outright more powerful than MM at his best, show me a feat that is comparable to warping the Multiverse pls.
Pfffff.
Ridiculous attempt at moving the goalposts.
The fight between Molecule Man and Sentry was a direct confrontation of their powers of molecule manipulation / reality warping and Sentry was the winner. That's enough to say who's stronger between both.
So yes, the mentally weakned MM will be blitzes, as OWAW Supes didn't hesitate and went for the kill. MM is still only human and won't tank it. If MM would have the first shot Supes would resist it in the state MM was in. From a full power MM? Only if he really is protected by the presence.
Any version of MM will stomp Superman.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
^Since your opinion is disregarded as blind fanboyism
So giving you the context of your own claims is blind fanboyism ?
You wilfully ignore everything that has been established by Marvel about the Sentry and I am the blind fanboy,right ?
I won't bother to quote but ask you just a simple question. Can Sentry warp the multiverse like MM did?
Care to elaborate "like MM did" ?
Originally posted by RealityWarper
So giving you the context of your own claims is blind fanboyism ?You wilfully ignore everything that has been established by Marvel about the Sentry and I am the blind fanboy,right ?
Care to elaborate "like MM did" ?
No, interpreting the comic like you do. Though I understand why you have your opinion, I disagree not because you are the only one I have seen here who has such an opinion but because you dismiss all showings of Sentry you don't like in favour of a flawed one.
His fight against Beyonder or his powers being used by Doom to create his Universe and fight the Beyonders.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
[B]No, interpreting the comic like you do.
I'm not interpreting the comic. That's the point.
On the other hand this "weakened MM" is a completely made-up stuff.
I pointed out SEVERAL TIMES that Osborn asked Quasimodo to make several reports on superhumans for him and in those files there is both Molecule Man and Sentry.
I pointed out that in the MM file, Quasimodo explain (what I've already said above) that there is several assessments to MM powers being lowered because of his beliefs in his abilities that I've already mentioned AND why MM got rid of those negative beliefs on his abilities because he proves many times ON PANEL and in DARK AVENGERS that HE GOT RID OF HIS LIMITATIONS.
Though I understand why you have your opinion, I disagree not because you are the only one I have seen here who has such an opinion but because you dismiss all showings of Sentry you don't like in favour of a flawed one.
Where am I dismissing anything ?
I'm saying that there is context behind those showings and that if the context isn't the same they can't be applied.
His fight against Beyonder
Sentry would destroy Beyonder easily.
or his powers being used by Doom to create his Universe and fight the Beyonders.
What ?
Are you speaking about Battleworld ?
Originally posted by RealityWarper
I'm not interpreting the comic. That's the point.On the other hand this "weakened MM" is a completely made-up stuff.
I pointed out SEVERAL TIMES that Osborn asked Quasimodo to make several reports on superhumans for him and in those files there is both Molecule Man and Sentry.
I pointed out that in the MM file, Quasimodo explain (what I've already said above) that there is several assessments to MM powers being lowered because of his beliefs in his abilities that I've already mentioned AND why MM got rid of those negative beliefs on his abilities because he proves many times ON PANEL and in DARK AVENGERS that HE GOT RID OF HIS LIMITATIONS.
Where am I dismissing anything ?
I'm saying that there is context behind those showings and that if the context isn't the same they can't be applied.
Sentry would destroy Beyonder easily.
What ?
Are you speaking about Battleworld ?
facepalm
Ok, I got it, your opinion cannot be changed. I accept that you have this weird opinion but please don't expect me to have the same. I prefer to make my own, based on the feats I see and not your interpretation.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
[B]facepalmOk, I got it, your opinion cannot be changed.
My opinion is changed by evidence.
You failed to recognize evidence.
I have probably the same feeling that you have when facing a student adamant to his position whatever the proofs you have presented to him.
I accept that you have this weird opinion but please don't expect me to have the same. I prefer to make my own, based on the feats I see and not your interpretation.
I'm not interpreting.
You are free to have your opinion.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
My opinion is changed by evidence.You failed to recognize evidence.
I have probably the same feeling that you have when facing a student adamant to his position whatever the proofs you have presented to him.
I'm not interpreting.
You are free to have your opinion.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I saw your "evidence" which is nothing more than an interpretation and deemed it insufficient and flawed.
In what it's flawed ?
Do you care to elaborate this time ?
But I agree to disagree as it would be pointless to pursue this any further and waste our time.
It seems it does.
I would be curious though to see if there is anyone who agrees on your stance of Sentry being above the likes of a full power Beyonder etc.
I know, Argumentum Ad Populum is the most used logical fallacy on battle forums.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
So you aren't implying that I am wrong because nobody (or at least not the majority on this forum) agree with me ?
As said you understood it wrong, which means my intentions and my words. Till now you should know that my stance on comic debates is "there is no right or wrong, just a bunch of opinions and in the end they don't matter". I also have enough opinions that are shared by few or none (I don't even know tbh). That's why I said, even if I think that your opinion is wrong it doesn't matter because it is your opinion and with this I am fine. I am rather curious if other people share it, nothing more, nothing less. If everyone agrees with me it doesn't mean that I am right and your are wrong, or vice versa, as in my opinion your are wrong anyway, hence I don't really need the opinions of others to proof that you are wrong and that I am right. So yes, I think your opinion is weird and I am genuinely curious to see if other people share it but no I don't need the people to think that you are wrong. I hope that clears it up.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
As said you understood it wrong, which means my intentions and my words. Till now you should know that my stance on comic debates is "there is no right or wrong, just a bunch of opinions and in the end they don't matter". I also have enough opinions that are shared by few or none (I don't even know tbh). That's why I said, even if I think that your opinion is wrong it doesn't matter because it is your opinion and with this I am fine. I am rather curious if other people share it, nothing more, nothing less. If everyone agrees with me it doesn't mean that I am right and your are wrong, or vice versa, as in my opinion your are wrong anyway, hence I don't really need the opinions of others to proof that you are wrong and that I am right. So yes, I think your opinion is weird and I am genuinely curious to see if other people share it but no I don't need the people to think that you are wrong. I hope that clears it up.
That clears it up.
Originally posted by Insane TitanTopical response from being butthurt. Name calling. Have a good day sir.
yeah when the first 2 ppl who comment are the most bias trolls on here along with you.One poster trolls the ownage looking for superman feats to lowball and the other thinks Sentry is second to only the TOAA 😂 so yeah my comment is 100% legit.
So why don't you get upset about it more f*ggot.