Originally posted by RealityWarper
Owen has no benefits of the power of the Beyonders. He can just channel it into an human being so the human being can use it. That's all.This event never made him more powerful.
No! In the current universe, and since there hasn't been any signs of TOAA, Owen is considered TOAA. Owen can do anything. Again, if we consider that God Doom is more powerful than any other being in the Marvel Multiverse and that Owen can take off his powers and give it to someone else then Owen is more powerful than the one who possesses the power of the Beyonders (in this case Doom). To me, doom was like the Living Tribunal and Owen was TOAA.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No! In the current universe, and since there hasn't been any signs of TOAA, Owen is considered TOAA. Owen can do anything.
Do you care to post scans of Owen being considered by TOAA ?
Again, if we consider that God Doom is more powerful than any other being in the Marvel Multiverse and that Owen can take off his powers and give it to someone else then Owen is more powerful than the one who possesses the power of the Beyonders (in this case Doom). To me, doom was like the Living Tribunal and Owen was TOAA.
Nope. The point is that God Doom only posses those powers because they are channelled through Owen, that's all.
If Owen was more powerful than the Beyonders, Doom would have asked him to kill them all.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Do you care to post scans of Owen being considered by TOAA ?Nope. The point is that God Doom only posses those powers because they are channelled through Owen, that's all.
If Owen was more powerful than the Beyonders, Doom would have asked him to kill them all.
First of All no! Owen isn't as powerful as the Beyonders, but yes he is very powerful nowadays. More powerful than Sentry. But as you said, Owen Channels Doom's powers, so basically he also channels Reed Richards powers in the current multiverse. So basically he is more powerful than either of these cause he gives them the powers. Again, MM ripped off Doom's powers and gave them to Reed, meaning he can give the powers to whomever he wants. Maybe he can't use the powers but he does control who possess them.
Again, when Doom was God nothing could oppose him but MM. So this places MM over G Doom.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
First of All no! Owen isn't as powerful as the Beyonders, but yes he is very powerful nowadays.]
I'm glad we agree on this point.
More powerful than Sentry.
He lost to Sentry.
Sentry is more powerful than Owen.
But as you said, Owen Channels Doom's powers, so basically he also channels Reed Richards powers in the current multiverse.
So basically he is more powerful than either of these cause he gives them the powers. Again, MM ripped off Doom's powers and gave them to Reed, meaning he can give the powers to whomever he wants. Maybe he can't use the powers but he does control who possess them.
Again, when Doom was God nothing could oppose him but MM.
MM was just the link to his power source.
So this places MM over G Doom.
Hierarchically, yes because Doom is dependant of Owen to have his powers.
Power-wise no. The power of the Beyonders is still beyond Owen's.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
I'm glad we agree on this point.He lost to Sentry.
Sentry is more powerful than Owen.
Do you mean when he lost to sentry in Dark Avangers? But that was before Secret Wars, the current Owen Reece is far more powerful than that one....Current Owen's power is among those of Cosmic entities.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Do you mean when he lost to sentry in Dark Avangers? But that was before Secret Wars, the current Owen Reece is far more powerful than that one....Current Owen's power is among those of Cosmic entities.
Current Owen is the same that Sentry faced.
There was no power-up for Owen in the last Secret Wars.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay, Galactus vs Sentry. Who wins?
Sentry.
Do you realize that Sentry stalemated Galactus when he wasn't aware that he could manipulate the reality, right ?
EDIT:
A far weaker Owen from the Secret Wars I beat a Beyonder that could erase Galactus with a wave of his hand...
A far more powerful Owen akin he was in the Secret Wars II was destroyed by Sentry at a molecular level with no effort.
Galactus is nothing.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Sentry.Do you realize that Sentry stalemated Galactus when he wasn't aware that he could manipulate the reality, right ?
Not a well feed galactus. And current's galactus is always well feed cause he ain't longer has his hunger, meaning that galactus is full-powered always! And yet he needed help from Owen! That places Owen above a well fed Galactus...so MM beats Sentry.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Not a well feed galactus. And current's galactus is always well feed cause he ain't longer has his hunger, meaning that galactus is full-powered always!
Lifegiver Galactus recognized that Owen would erase him with a thought.
He is more powerful but still nothing to the like of Molecule Man & Sentry.
And yet he needed help from Owen!
Nice for him.
That places Owen above a well fed Galactus...
Beyonder & Molecule Man have always been so above Galactus that he was an insect to them.
so MM beats Sentry.
The fight already happened and Owen lost.
Sentry beat him easily.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Lifegiver Galactus recognized that Owen would erase him with a thought.He is more powerful but still nothing to the like of Molecule Man & Sentry.
Nice for him.
Beyonder & Molecule Man have always been so above Galactus that he was an insect to them.
The fight already happened and Owen lost.
Sentry beat him easily.
We are talking about the current continuity! In the current universe Sentry loses. But hey this turned out to be Sentry vs Owen haha. You do agree that Sentry loses to Doom right?