Qui-Gon Jinn vs. General Grievous.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Grievous sweeps.

Originally posted by toplel
i meant to write qui gon instead of sidious

To a normal droid he can, but not Grievous. Obi-Wan and Maul, who are superior to Qui, could not do so. Neither could Kit, a Qui-Gon level opponent at the least. Not sure how Jinn can do it.

so qui gon can grip a droid but not grievous? because grievous is 5kg heavier? lul

Originally posted by toplel
so qui gon can grip a droid but not grievous? because grievous is 5kg heavier? lul

No, because Grievous will be on him before he can do that and beat him in a duel. And Qui-Gon's superiors have clearly failed to do so.

Originally posted by thesithmaster
No, because Grievous will be on him before he can do that and beat him in a duel. And Qui-Gon's superiors have clearly failed to do so.

Originally posted by thesithmaster
No, because Grievous will be on him before he can do that and beat him in a duel. And Qui-Gon's superiors have clearly failed to do so.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Canon doesn't expliclty show the context of fisto vs grevious, but it's interesting grevious held off both fisto and his Padawan in one fight and that grevious initially chose to flee rather than engage him but then with the fog in play fisto started to beat him.

Don't think Grievous vs Fisto + former Padawan + Troopers was really a proper fight. And Grievous did end up in pieces after that engagement, so don't think there's anything to defend him with there.

Also yes, Fisto's whole philosophy was to engage alone only when necessary.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang

But reverse scaling isn't a thing anyway, so there's no point in mentioning Koth or TCW Ahsoka who grevious was beating.

I think how Grievous has faired against other Council level Masters is quite relevant personally.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang

Problem is with losing to a tier 7 in fisto and then beating a tier 8 in Kenobi. You could argue the new suit grevious had boosted him, though grevious was outdueling Kenobi even before.

But then he did get owned by the same Level 8 in ROTS.

I think Grievous was being trained by Dooku throughout TCW which accounts for his improving.

But also Grievous depends on much more than just Saber skill and Physicals. What were his 3 tools taught by Dooku again? Surprise, Fear and Intimidation? So that method of fighting can lead to inconsistent showings.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Grievous cannot move faster then Qui-Gon can move his hand, if thats what you're trying to argue.

Qui-Gon still needs time, and Grievous is much faster than him. Not to mention, Qui-Gon's superiors were unable to do so. Why would Qui-Gon do it?

Originally posted by toplel
so qui gon cant raise his and and think before grievous is on him. he also cant jump away or do anything at all, ok

He can't TK disarm him before Grievous gets up close, no. And he might be able to jump away, but the best he can do is land a Push, given that is all his superiors (Maul, Kenobi) could do.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Problem is with losing to a tier 7 in fisto.

Grievous was injured and shouldn't have dueled Fisto, as per his medical droid. Fisto also had a massive form advantage. And the fog clearly helped Fisto.
Apart from that, Grievous held off both Fisto and Nahdar fine. Grievous>Fisto pretty obviously.

Grievous solos 3 or 4 Jinns'.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Grievous cannot move faster then Qui-Gon can move his hand, if thats what you're trying to argue.

lol^

so people are saying grievous speedblitzes jinn more or less

im outski dawg

Yeah, shit's gotten pretty insane these days. 👆

I'm citing him dodging the blasts of multiple masters in OCW off course. I doubt he could outright blitz him

But given how TPM kenobi was faster than Qui-Gon, I'd think someone who's speed has regularly fcke dup TCW Kenobi and nearly overwhelemed ROTS Kenobi's defenses(Kenobi having his own monstrous speed showing regarding the utapan army right before), that Grevious is far, far faster than Qui-Gon isn't in doubt.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Grievous solos 3 or 4 Jinns'.

Originally posted by Kurk
Don't push it

Exactly.

Originally posted by Kurk
Don't push it

Just stating facts.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Just stating facts.

In Legends maybe. Nothing like that would happen in Canon though.