Who can beat Fox Quicksilver?

Originally posted by steverules_2
If QS ran at Superman, any version, and punched him, wouldn't he break his hand?

Probably depends if Superman is resisting being moved.

Resisting = Broken Hand

Not Resisting = Superman may get pushed back, possibly still hurt hand.

That makes no sense. Superman's durability is not connected to whether he's resisting or not.

Originally posted by Psychotron
The principal stays the same. If Apoc could catch him, Spider-man definitely can.

So are you just intentionally dense? It's obvious Apocalypse came up with another ability to fight off QS, because for a while he was literally a statue being ping-ponged back and forth through the air until his eyes glowed white, and suddenly he could see Peter's movements and actually move around.

Spidey wouldn't have that luxury, he'd just be stuck. You know why? Another direct comparison. You're using Garfield Spidey who had trouble with Electro, who is a lot slower than Quicksilver. Remember when he was chasing Rhino and he dodged those bullets in the air? They would've been frozen in place for several minutes before QS got done.

Originally posted by Psychotron
That makes no sense. Superman's durability is not connected to whether he's resisting or not.

Superman's durability isn't in question.

Superman likely doesn't get hurt either way, the question is whether QS gets hurt.

My previous post is more about physics.

Analogy:

Fast car crashes into an adamantium pole fixed to the ground = total loss

Fast car crashes into free standing adamantium pole = car damaged (not as badly as above scenario), but momentum also transferred to pole, yet pole is undamaged (because adamantium).

Originally posted by KingD19
So are you just intentionally dense? It's obvious Apocalypse came up with another ability to fight off QS, because for a while he was literally a statue being ping-ponged back and forth through the air until his eyes glowed white, and suddenly he could see Peter's movements and actually move around.

Spidey wouldn't have that luxury, he'd just be stuck. You know why? Another direct comparison. You're using Garfield Spidey who had trouble with Electro, who is a lot slower than Quicksilver. Remember when he was chasing Rhino and he dodged those bullets in the air? They would've been frozen in place for several minutes before QS got done.

Spider-man will know when and where QS would attack, that's why he can tag him.

Originally posted by Placidity
Superman's durability isn't in question.

Superman likely doesn't get hurt either way, the question is whether QS gets hurt.

My previous post is more about physics.

Analogy:

Fast car crashes into an adamantium pole fixed to the ground = total loss

Fast car crashes into free standing adamantium pole = car damaged (not as badly as above scenario), but momentum also transferred to pole, yet pole is undamaged (because adamantium).

Your analogy is flawed. The mass difference between the car an the pole is too much.

A better analogy would be a human punching a Terminator. Whether the Terminator braces itself or not the human's hand will break if he punches hard enough.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Spider-man will know when and where QS would attack, that's why he can tag him.

Your analogy is flawed. The mass difference between the car an the pole is too much.

A better analogy would be a human punching a Terminator. Whether the Terminator braces itself or not the human's hand will break if he punches hard enough.

Really? Don't be an idiot.

I can know that a 100 feet away on a hill there's a guy with a sniper rifle pointed at me. And I could know exactly when he'll pull the trigger. But that doesn't mean I'm fast enough to dodge a sniper bullet.

We see how Spidey views bullets. He still has to actively avoid them. Quicksilver sees them in quadruple super-slow mo and can move them around in flight. That's not comparable and acting like it is is only making you look more inept as time goes on.

Wouldn't QS's powers provide him with some form of super durability simply based on the "feats" he is able to perform with his speed? His feet were able to crush the concrete with his steps and the amount of force needed to pingpong Apoc like that would turn a human hand to mush. A casual finger touch to a guys cheek manages to sends him flying.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Wouldn't QS's powers provide him with some form of super durability simply based on the "feats" he is able to perform with his speed? His feet were able to crush the concrete with his steps and the amount of force needed to pingpong Apoc like that would turn a human hand to mush. A casual finger touch to a guys cheek manages to sends him flying.

Most speedsters have an "aura" that basically protects their bodies from stuff like friction and high speed impacts. Quicksilver is said to have super strong legs. As for everything else, it seems it's a combination of physics just working differently when you're moving so fast. Like he moved bullets out of their flight path, and they still hit with the same force as they were frozen while he was manipulating them.

I don't see anyone beating him except maybe metroman. Others would either lose or stalemate. As soon as the bell rings he would close the distance on anyone who can fly or teleport away. A finger pluck can KO a human. A punch is magnitudes more powerful. A kick or strike with something steel is even more damaging.

I consider Smallville as a TV show and not a movie.

Originally posted by KingD19
Most speedsters have an "aura" that basically protects their bodies from stuff like friction and high speed impacts. Quicksilver is said to have super strong legs. As for everything else, it seems it's a combination of physics just working differently when you're moving so fast. Like he moved bullets out of their flight path, and they still hit with the same force as they were frozen while he was manipulating them.

Wouldn't the same "aura" protect him when he punches Superman's face?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Wouldn't the same "aura" protect him when he punches Superman's face?

It should. Especially since his only injury came at Apocalypse breaking his limbs after stopping his momentum and putting him back in the "normal" world. with everybody else.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Wouldn't the same "aura" protect him when he punches Superman's face?

So Idk.
If he can move bullets out of the way faster than the bullet is moving then not only he is bullet proof, when operating at high speed, but his ability to affect harder materials would increase since the bullet would naturally deform when experiencing a larger acceleration.

F=ma
A large acceleration gives a large net force. Even solid steel will deform if you apply a large enough acceleration to it.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Spider-man will know when and where QS would attack, that's why he can tag him.

Your analogy is flawed. The mass difference between the car an the pole is too much.

A better analogy would be a human punching a Terminator. Whether the Terminator braces itself or not the human's hand will break if he punches hard enough.

No analogy is perfect.

The analogy was provided regarding your misunderstanding of me making implications about Superman's durability while I was primarily illustrating the concept of momentum transfer.

Regarding your analogy:

1. Terminator is much heavier than a human. Superman weighs around the same as a regular human.

2. Is the durability of human vs terminator metal, and QS vs Superman proportional/comparable?

QS' durability is far higher than a regular human (when striking something, and withstanding forces), so whether his hand would break is unknown/opinion, unless someone has actually analysed it.

So there are really two sides to this:

1. The point is being able to transfer momentum is better than not for Peter's hand. Whether Superman is resisting or not is directly related.

2. How durable is Peter? It is your assessment that he is far too weak for the above point to even matter. Not unreasonable, but at the same time QS is far more durable than a regular human, so who knows?

Edit: Double Post

Originally posted by Placidity
No analogy is perfect.

The analogy was provided regarding your misunderstanding of me making implications about Superman's durability while I was primarily illustrating the concept of momentum transfer.

Regarding your analogy:

1. Terminator is much heavier than a human. Superman weighs around the same as a regular human.

2. Is the durability of human vs terminator metal, and QS vs Superman proportional/comparable?

QS' durability is far higher than a regular human (when striking something, and withstanding forces), so whether his hand would break is unknown/opinion, unless someone has actually analysed it.

So there are really two sides to this:

1. The point is being able to transfer momentum is better than not for Peter's hand. Whether Superman is resisting or not is directly related.

2. How durable is Peter? It is your assessment that he is far too weak for the above point to even matter. Not unreasonable, but at the same time QS is far more durable than a regular human, so who knows?

QS may be more durable than a human, but Superman is far more durable than a terminator. And fine, lets say you punch an inanimate object made of titanium that weighs the same weight as you as hard as you can. What happens to your hand?

QS is far far more durable than a human. When he is using his speed powers.

Proof: Moves bullets with fingers. Crushes tile with footsteps. Didn't get legs ripped off when Apoc used the ground to suddenly stop him at full run (w/c would be many many times Mach speed). Flicks explosive debris with no discomfort. He is not jellified from the gforces when he stops whenever he runs at his usual multi-multi-mach speeds.

In contrast, Superman is not a statue. He is not rigid, when he is not braced, his body allows for movement when it is in a relaxed state. Do this: relax your neck and jaw. Now push it woth your pinky. Doesn't take much does it?

Not saying that QS is durable enough to punch Superman without suffering ill effect, just that the premise you present seems flawed and we do not know for sure til someone credible posts calculations.

Originally posted by Psychotron
QS may be more durable than a human, but Superman is far more durable than a terminator. And fine, lets say you punch an inanimate object made of titanium that weighs the same weight as you as hard as you can. What happens to your hand?

Well its a relevant question, but I don't think the conclusion (if there is one) resolves the discussion here.

If it were me I would probably break my hand.

If it was a professional boxer/MA, the object (I'm assuming its shaped like a human) would fall over. The guy may or may not break his hand, I really don't know (likely depends on the angle and which surface of his fist is being used?) This is probably something someone knows, but I don't.

Originally posted by Nibedicus

In contrast, Superman is not a statue. He is not rigid, when he is not braced, his body allows for movement when it is in a relaxed state. Do this: relax your neck and jaw. Now push it woth your pinky. Doesn't take much does it?

In addition to this, when I said "resisting" I also had in mind Superman using his "flight" to resist being moved. Flight is quite a vague word - for Superman it is really akin to telekinesis or telekinetic propulsion - using his mind to move himself, or hold himself in place in this case.

Originally posted by Placidity
Well its a relevant question, but I don't think the conclusion (if there is one) resolves the discussion here.

If it were me I would probably break my hand.

If it was a professional boxer/MA, the object (I'm assuming its shaped like a human) would fall over. The guy may or may not break his hand, I really don't know (likely depends on the angle and which surface of his fist is being used?) This is probably something someone knows, but I don't.

In addition to this, when I said "resisting" I also had in mind Superman using his "flight" to resist being moved. Flight is quite a vague word - for Superman it is really akin to telekinesis or telekinetic propulsion - using his mind to move himself, or hold himself in place in this case.

As someone who trained kickboxing, if you punch a hard metal or stone or even wooden object, and if you punch it hard with no protection, your hand's done for. Training can make your bones a little thicker, but not that much. Shit, I once broke a finger when I punched a fuse box/transformer with everything I had (drunk, naturally). Hell, you can easily break your hand punching someone in the head. I know an ex-legionnaire, who works as private security now, and he has broken his hand while punching people four (4) times. He had to get surgery after the last time.

But you're right. This isn't the discussion.

If Qs can move a bullet with his finger faster than the bullet is traveling then he is bulletbroof. Any human colliding with anything metal while moving faster than a bullet will suffer tremendous damage.

So when using his speed powers QS should hurt Superman badly without any harm to himself. Flash and Zoom does it all the time in comics. Movies use the same physics as comics.

You're drunk. Stop posting.