Canon Darth Vader Bibliography Canonizes Important ROTS Novel Plot Point

This was something that was evident from the movie as well.

It was?

It wasn't.

I think he's referring to the line "I know there are things about the Force that they're not telling me.

Lol, yeah, that doesn't make Anakin's desire to become a master so as to gain access to the archives secret knowledge "evident."

At least not to somebody who hasn't read the book.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Lol, yeah, that doesn't make Anakin's desire to become a master so as to gain access to the archives secret knowledge "evident."

At least not to somebody who hasn't read the book.

So people need to be spoon fed things? I mean it's not hard to put two and two together.

Uh, that’s not putting "two and two together". If one looks only at the films, it’s a massive leap of logic.

Anakin gets nightmares of Padme dying, he gets rejected of being a Master and knows that there are secrets he can't get access to and gets angry. Anakin wants to save her.

Soo...how hard is it to come to that conclusion?

He could easily just be bitching about the Jedi not trusting him and treating him like shit rather than freaking out because he doesn't know how to save Padme.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
He could easily just be bitching about the Jedi not trusting him and treating him like shit rather than freaking out because he doesn't know how to save Padme.

Or it can be all of that too? Why would it have to be either or?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Or it can be all of that too? Why would it have to be either or?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Anakin gets nightmares of Padme dying, he gets rejected of being a Master and knows that there are secrets he can't get access to and gets angry. Anakin wants to save her.

Soo...how hard is it to come to that conclusion?

Because there is absolutely nothing in the film connecting being a master with getting access to the supposed secrets. It's just a large leap of logic especially since most of Anakin's complainants are about the Jedi not trusting him rather than getting access to the secrets.

Sure after multiple rematches you might make the connection and create the theory, but that certainly is not "evident".

I'm just saying the average movie viewer isn't going to put those pieces together.

Originally posted by ares834
Because there is absolutely nothing in the film connecting being a master with getting access to the supposed secrets. It's just a large leap of logic especially since most of Anakin's complainants are about the Jedi not trusting him rather than getting access to the secrets.

Sure after multiple rematches you might make the connection and create the theory, but that certainly is not "evident".

Did Anakin not say that the Jedi have secrets that he doesn't have access to? I recall also saying something to Padme, that he wouldn't lose her.

I mean it might not say flatout, but it's highly likely that they do. But of course, yeah it's not flatout said and you could just say it's a theory.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I'm just saying the average movie viewer isn't going to put those pieces together.

Fair enough I guess. The average movie viewer doesn't...well I'm just gonna stop there.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
normal people aren't smart enough to infer the things you infer zen

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Did Anakin not say that the Jedi have secrets that he doesn't have access to?

Not that I know of, no. I only recall the quote DMB brought up.

Originally posted by ares834
Not that I know of, no. I only recall the quote DMB brought up.

Ah found it.

ANAKIN: I wish I knew. More and more I get the feeling that I am being excluded from the Council. I know there are things about the Force that they are not telling me.

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Which is the quote DMB brought up. Like I said, there is nothing connecting him assuming the rank of Master to accessing these secrets. It seems more to be a question of trust in the film rather than solely rank.