Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Just having Superman's power doesn't automatically mean that they've adjusted to the sensory overload (Zod certainly didn't automatically adjust to it; it took time and effort)...Once again, as the OP is constructed, the Future Sentinels defeat the Kryptonians...
No you dont get to change the OP to what you think I meant or what you want it to be. Once again, they have all their powers and have adjusted which is why I said they have all Supermans powers.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Why wouldn't it?Rogues power is not limited to working only on mutants; it works on non mutants as well...
Since Rogue never showed her Power Drain actually taking the power of someone who wasn't a mutant(as the only things in that world are Mutants and Humans), show proof it'll work on a Kryptonian. And just how long would it take to actually drain a Kryptonian? Could they even get through their bio-electric forcefield?
What's to stop the Kryptonians from simply heat blasting all the Sentinels or blitzing them so fast they're just parts before they know what hit them?
Originally posted by KingD19
Since Rogue never showed her Power Drain actually taking the power of someone who wasn't a mutant(as the only things in that world are Mutants and Humans), show proof it'll work on a Kryptonian. And just how long would it take to actually drain a Kryptonian? Could they even get through their bio-electric forcefield?What's to stop the Kryptonians from simply heat blasting all the Sentinels or blitzing them so fast they're just parts before they know what hit them?
Power Draining by touch is Rogues power...period.
Unless you can demonstrate examples of her power failing to work, then they should never fail to work.
Since the Sentinels have her power, this applies to them as well...
Kryptonians can be touched physically...period.
What you describe applies in the comics as Supermans bio forcefield has never been mentioned in the DC Cinematic Universe...
We have a bonafide feat of a base Sentinel withstanding an intense heat based attack (against Sunspot), so unless you can prove that Supermans Heat Vision is superior to what Sunspot can do, then the Sentinels should be able to withstand Heat Vision...
As for Kryptonian speed, the Sentinels presumably defeated Quicksilver in the Future (they brought the mutant RACE...millions of them...on the brink of extinction afterall).
If they can deal with him, they can definitely deal with Kryptonian speed...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Power Draining by touch is Rogues power...period.Unless you can demonstrate examples of her power failing to work, then they should never fail to work.
Since the Sentinels have her power, this applies to them as well...
Kryptonians can be touched physically...period.
What you describe applies in the comics as Supermans bio forcefield has never been mentioned in the DC Cinematic Universe...
We have a bonafide feat of a base Sentinel withstanding an intense heat based attack (against Sunspot), so unless you can prove that Supermans Heat Vision is superior to what Sunspot can do, then the Sentinels should be able to withstand Heat Vision...
As for Kryptonian speed, the Sentinels presumably defeated Quicksilver in the Future (they brought the mutant RACE...millions of them...on the brink of extinction afterall).
If they can deal with him, they can definitely deal with Kryptonian speed...
Proof is on you to show it works on non-humans, as it was never shown to work on someone with powers originating from a source other than the X-Gene. Period.
Also Kryptonians have completely different biology from humans, proof her power works on aliens?
Snyder described the forcefield in an interview. It was why when he flew for the first time, the debris on the ground around him floated up.
Proof Sunspot's heat attack is = Kryptonian Heat Vision which was easily slicing through skyscrapers. What feats does Sunspot have to compare aside from attacking Sentinels?
Hah there you go with your bullshit disguised as logic again. Show them defeating Quicksilver, because he was never shown in that future. He may not have even been alive in the original future where the Sentinels took over.
Originally posted by Sable
Burden of proof is on you to prove they can drain non mutants.
No, the burden is on you all to prove they wouldn't work as they have never failed to work...
Besides, think about the absurdity of what you are suggesting:
Superman has never used heat vision on a mutant; Do I really need to show Superman using heat vision on a mutant to prove that his power will work on them?
Of course not...
Rogue has the power to Power Drain by touch...period.
Until someone can show me her power failing to work, then they should always work...
Since the Sentinels have her power, this applies to them as well...
Originally posted by KingD19
Proof is on you to show it works on non-humans, as it was never shown to work on someone with powers originating from a source other than the X-Gene. Period.Also Kryptonians have completely different biology from humans, proof her power works on aliens?
Snyder described the forcefield in an interview. It was why when he flew for the first time, the debris on the ground around him floated up.
Proof Sunspot's heat attack is = Kryptonian Heat Vision which was easily slicing through skyscrapers. What feats does Sunspot have to compare aside from attacking Sentinels?
Hah there you go with your bullshit disguised as logic again. Show them defeating Quicksilver, because he was never shown in that future. He may not have even been alive in the original future where the Sentinels took over.
Rogues power does work on non humans; it works on mutants (which are beyond human)...
Rogues power is also not limited to working on mutants as it works on humans...
We agree to disagree about this as I am of the opinion that her powers will work until shown not to work...
Since you want to reference comics, Rogues power worked on Thor... 😉
Producer interviews don't count; what is seen on screen does, and during the movie, no mention of Supermans bio forcefield is never mentioned...
Heat vision worked against buildings, well Sunspots power melted right through a thick, reinforced, vault door...
If Quicksilver wasn't alive in the Future, then the Sentinels killed him as he was alive during DoFP movie during the modern day sequences...
Originally posted by juggerman
So OP's have to state the obvious now? In an Ironman thread do we have to state he's in the suit or would you argue he starts in a business suit? Tony did say that he's Ironman without the suit right?The only Kryptonians shown outside of the biosuits on Earth were Kal and Zod. There is no reason to believe that if the Krytonians were not used to the atmosphere they would not have the suits on. That's just you trying to net a win for your team.
Standard gear applies in threads unless otherwise stated. Those suits are standard gear for the ones still affected by the environment.
Originally posted by Sable
Rouge has only shown the ability to drain mutants. Not aliens, burden of proof is on you period.
There is no proof that Kryptonian powers will work on Future Sentinels then...
After all, you have no feats of Kryptonian powers working on highly advanced, techno-organic, killing machines from the future...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Rogues power does work on non humans; it works on mutants (which are beyond human)...Rogues power is also not limited to working on mutants as it works on humans...
We agree to disagree about this as I am of the opinion that her powers will work until shown not to work...
Since you want to reference comics, Rogues power worked on Thor... 😉
Producer interviews don't count; what is seen on screen does, and during the movie, no mention of Supermans bio forcefield is never mentioned...
Heat vision worked against buildings, well Sunspots power melted right through a thick, reinforced, vault door...
If Quicksilver wasn't alive in the Future, then the Sentinels killed him as he was alive during DoFP movie during the modern day sequences...
Mutants are humans with 1 extra gene. Homo Superior vs Homo Sapien. So working on a human and working on a mutant is like it working on someone with regular eyes, and someone with heterochromia as it's brought on by an extra gene. And there is no agree to disagree. You say they'll work on someone they've never been shown working on , you need to prove it. That's how the MvF works. Next.
Fine, we can leave all mention of comics out of it. So her powers were not shown working on anyone not a human or human mutant. Even if they did work on Kryptonians, as a Kryptonian is so much more powerful than a human, how long would it take to even work? Would they get overloaded? Answers if you don't mind. Not your speculation. Facts.
Lol, a vault door? Heat Vision was slicing clean through buildings and solid stone foundations. Prove Sunspot is equal to heat vision.
If you watched DoFP, you'd also realize that Peter was ejected from the movie incredibly early on so he didn't win every fight in an instant. Since he wasn't shown in the future, but mutants are obviously still alive, what proof do you have he was killed? Especially since the Sentinel's never display super speed? He could just be alive, hanging out. Proof's on you to show he's dead.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
There is no proof that Kryptonian powers will work on Future Sentinels then...After all, you have no feats of Kryptonian powers working on highly advanced, techno-organic, killing machines from the future...
Sure there is, the world engine was a highly advanced killing machine
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
There is no proof that Kryptonian powers will work on Future Sentinels then...After all, you have no feats of Kryptonian powers working on highly advanced, techno-organic, killing machines from the future...
Where you're wrong though, is that physical force is seen to work on them. And they've never fought someone as strong as a Kryptonian.
Explosions and heat affect them, as the X-Jet blew them up and Storm's lightning blew up their transport.
You're trying to say an esoteric power that has only shown to work on a single species will absolutely work on beings from a completely different solar system and with completely different physiologies.
Then you're trying to say because we call bullshit on that, Kryptonians punching them at multiple mach speeds and hitting them with lasers that instantly melt through entire skyscrapers might not work.
You're trolling is so bad, hahaha.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Quick question: when did the Sentinels ever demonstrated Rogue's power?
Apparently, in the Rogue Cut, they explain the Sentinel's also have her power, and why they could automatically contend with and overpower Colossus. They just drained his power. OP never said this was the Rogue Cut though, so Lord is making assumptions on someone else's thread and claiming them as gospel.
Originally posted by KingD19
Mutants are humans with 1 extra gene. Homo Superior vs Homo Sapien. So working on a human and working on a mutant is like it working on someone with regular eyes, and someone with heterochromia as it's brought on by an extra gene. And there is no agree to disagree. You say they'll work on someone they've never been shown working on , you need to prove it. That's how the MvF works. Next.Fine, we can leave all mention of comics out of it. So her powers were not shown working on anyone not a human or human mutant. Even if they did work on Kryptonians, as a Kryptonian is so much more powerful than a human, how long would it take to even work? Would they get overloaded? Answers if you don't mind. Not your speculation. Facts.
Lol, a vault door? Heat Vision was slicing clean through buildings and solid stone foundations. Prove Sunspot is equal to heat vision.
If you watched DoFP, you'd also realize that Peter was ejected from the movie incredibly early on so he didn't win every fight in an instant. Since he wasn't shown in the future, but mutants are obviously still alive, what proof do you have he was killed? Especially since the Sentinel's never display super speed? He could just be alive, hanging out. Proof's on you to show he's dead.
So the mutants are a different species (homo superior)...thanx for the admission that they are not human.
We have concrete proof that her powers work on non humans, so there is really no reason why they shouldn't work on Superman other than "I dont want them to."
Yes a vault door...
Vault doors are designed specifically to withstand tremendous punishment; those skyscrapers are designed NOT to be especially sturdy as they must be able to sway in the wind..
So yes, vault durability>>>>skyscraper durability.
The only mutants alive in the Future were the ones that were able to flee the Future Sentinels...
Any that stood their ground died...period.
The entire species was nearly eliminated as per the movies story, so in all probability, Quicksilver fell to them as well...