SSG Goku vs Base Goku

Originally posted by Placidity
Let's hope so.

I will never stop rubbing the thread below in Carver's face:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f74/t635816.html

And I guess this is mostly the anime's fault with how power scaling's handled now, but SSB commonly comes off as so weak compared to other opponents now that it's actually an underwhelming form to look at anymore unless maybe Vegeta's being serious with it, but otherwise I feel SSJ Blue has kinda long overstayed its welcome, and that's pretty bad considering how I was never burned out from seeing the previous SSJ forms in action (rookie SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3, and so on). The Limit Breaker form and return of the Red SSG can't come soon enough...

Originally posted by NewGuy01
It is. In the manga, Goku used the red form against Hit in the U6 tournament.

They conflict with each other all the time. And no, mastered SSJB and Kaio-Ken are not the same thing; one contains energy to prevent power drain, and the other provides a brief power burst at the cost of stamina. They're functionally opposite of each other.

They both amp Goku and they both break down the body. They're both just a powerup to beat Hit and put Goku over Vegeta.

Toriyama obviously left a lot of lattitude in his scripts, but any differences between them are superficial and won't deviate much from the big events.

Nope, perfected Blue wasn't needed to beat Hit in the manga. Goku beat him with normal Blue.

Point is they're both SSJ Blue Plus.

If anything Goku beating Hit without Super Kaio-Ken proves it's a complete bullshit form that was just for show though.

Exactly. There are things introduced that are only for the show.

I cant wait till he goes red again. By far the coolest form.

Looks like they retconned Saiyan Beyond god form.