Inside the fight that could derail the Democratic Party
Key Bernie Sanders backers recently dismissed Sen. Kamala Harris' prospects
The new series of emotional and racially tinged arguments could shatter progress
The online brouhaha set the stage for an in-person clash July 25Sanders himself has pushed for party peace but has not weighed in recently
All this infighting is kinda funny. The left just can't figure out why they keep losing elections. I mean they called the other side racists. They called them sexists. They called them fascists. They called them white supremacists. They said Trump is mean. So why didn't it work?
At least they are learning to not do silly stuff like tha---oh...
DNC deputy chairman claims Kim Jong-Un is more responsible than Trump — immediately regrets it
Boy is my face red. 😮
"“North Korea is a serious thing,” Ellison said. “You have this guy making bellicose threats against somebody else who has very little to lose over there. Kim Jong Un, the world always thought he was not a responsible leader; well, he’s acting more responsible than this guy is.”
Well at least he apologized for it right? He is the deputy chairman of the DNC after all.
"After his speech, Ellison retracted his Trump-Kim comparison, telling the Post that saying Kim Jong-Un is more responsible than Trump is “one of those I wish I’d not said,” citing the comments’ ability to make him look bad.
“It’s tailor-made for somebody to misuse,” Ellison said.:
Oh. This sounds more like he took it back merely because it might be "misused" against him.
Well, I think it is quite alright for a person to rethink something they said and then admit they were wrong. That's a good thing. More people should do that.
Edit - On topic, the Dems lost the election because of this bullshit. I said that the GOP would fade away if they lost the 2016 election. They didn't. They bought themselves a bit of time. But the Dems are now starting to make me think they will kill their party if they don't shape up.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, I think it is quite alright for a person to rethink something they said and then admit they were wrong. That's a good thing. More people should do that.Edit - On topic, the Dems lost the election because of this bullshit. I said that the GOP would fade away if they lost the 2016 election. They didn't. They bought themselves a bit of time. But the Dems are now starting to make me think they will kill their party if they don't shape up.
It's the way he went about it. He essentially said he is retracting it so it won't hurt his career. It's good he admitted it though.
But on the other hand, we're in an age where rhetoric matters more than ever. High ranking members of the DNC saying Kim is more responsible. It's up there with calling him Hitler, Mussolini, etc.
EDIT: Oh and one more thing, in this era the retractions of comments tend to get way way less exposure than the original comments. This is especially true on twitter. Someone will tweet out something, get thousands of retweets. A few days later they realize they were wrong and tweet the mistake the made. It will get like 100 retweets. There is a disturbing number of times this has happened with major news networks.
Originally posted by HarryBalszac
Gerrymandering by republicans, an authoritarian racist plurality of citizens, and economic intimidation are not Left Wing creations. Those are the fruits of the American Capitalist Right.Representative Federal Government is the enemy apparently.
Just to be clear, you know both sides are equally pieces of shit, right? I just wanted to measure your awareness of reality.
This just further exemplifies the notion that the 2020 Democratic primaries could be an absolute blood bath, similar to the the GOP Primary of last year.
But if there's one thing the last couple elections should teach us, it's to not make too many predictions about the presidential election too early. In 2005 no one thought Obama had a real chance at winning the nomination in 2008, let alone the presidency. Same with Trump last year. The way things go in national elections these days can be the total opposite of what was predicted years in advance.
Personally, I don't think Bernie will run. He'll be nearly 80 and that will be very old to start a first term. I'm not sure Harris will run either, from what I hear she's very cautious and would only run if she thought she had a really good chance of winning. I think she will run at some point, but she's young enough to where there's really no rush for her. And who knows, we may not even be talking about these two in 2019. For all we know The Rock and Oprah Winfrey will be the front runners.
Originally posted by Surtur
I agree, who do you think he'd try to make king though?
Right now it seems the front runners are Biden, Harris, Warren and Franken. Assuming those 4 continue being the front runners, I imagine he'd back Warren as they overlap in a lot of departments.
However if some other person comes out of the woodwork that Bernie likes and shows potential for actually winning, he may back them over any of the others.
The real question would be how early would he throw his support to someone in the primaries? Or would he at all? He may decide to pull a Warren and not really want to openly back anyone in the primary because he knows it could cause further divisions on the left.
Originally posted by BackFire
Right now it seems the front runners are Biden, Harris, Warren and Franken. Assuming those 4 continue being the front runners, I imagine he'd back Warren as they overlap in a lot of departments.However if some other person comes out of the woodwork that Bernie likes and shows potential for actually winning, he may back them over any of the others.
The real question would be how early would he throw his support to someone in the primaries? Or would he at all? He may decide to pull a Warren and not really want to openly back anyone in the primary because he knows it could cause further divisions on the left.
Oh god Al Franken? I think the guy is a mess lol. I truly hope he gets put at the bottom of the list. I actually respect Biden a bit.
It's still unclear of Franken is actually interested. He's gone back and forth from denying it pretty clearly, to being coy about it. He's in a pretty unique position to run against Trump, though, as a former comedian who gets show business and theatrics but is also a legitimate politician with what will be over a decade of congressional experience.
Originally posted by carthage
I'd take President Stuart Smalley over a Racist Orange con man any day of the weekFranken/Jesse Jackson 2020
Lol@Jesse Jackson. You know he gave Trump an award for being a champion of black folk, right?
Can you imagine that being brought up during a debate? Hilarious. I hope it happens. It would be quality entertainment.
Originally posted by Surtur
I just wonder, does Bernie have like...an apprentice? Lol. Like one man he might get behind more than the others? Someone he mentored or something. Like a socialist Yoda.
I don't think he really does, I could be wrong, though. I would say Warren is the most likely to take up his torch, though someone like Tulsi Gabbard who supported him despite pressure last year could also get his backing if she were to run.
I think Gabbard is probably the closest thing to an apprentice, I think a lot think she'll probably be the next Sanders, though a lot of Democrats have problems with her. But then again, the same was true for Bernie himself.
Originally posted by carthage
Would the black vote sway you if Franken added Al Shatpton?
Dude, having Al Sharpton would be horrible. Like, a nuclear attack could be eminent, and then some black dude gets killed by a cop and suddenly Sharpton puts Wally West to shame with the speed in which he arrives in whatever town it happened in.