Originally posted by Robtard
I believed you the first time you explained.Okay then. Good talk regardless.
Oh yeah, def a good talk. I was in no way suggesting that everyone should start calling BS about climate change, I was only explaining how some people like myself might still be hesitant to accept many of the changes in policy being proposed.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm actually skeptical about the implications and severity of the threat because the hard core pushers of the idea keep getting the effects wrong.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I was only explaining how some people like myself might still be hesitant to accept many of the changes in policy being proposed.
it's like this: why take a chance?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes but aren't you taking the chance just by being an Athiest?
i suppose, but i feel that its more like i'm hedging my bets instead of taking a reckless gamble on one option because its popular/easier/cheaper.
also if there was 1/1000th of empirical evidence of god's existence as there is for climate change, i'm pretty sure i'd have a way different attitude.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i suppose, but i feel that its more like i'm hedging my bets instead of taking a reckless gamble on one option because its popular/easier/cheaper.also if there was 1/1000th of empirical evidence of god's existence as there is for climate change, i'm pretty sure i'd have a way different attitude.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
"proven wrong" is too non-specific. example: if they called for a .03% rise in GMT and it turned out to be .025%, technically that calculation was proven wrong while the actual data validates the whole concept.so i need specifics before i answer anything in that ballpark.
thats kinda like mocking the weatherman because we got 2 inches of snow instead of 12, and then concluding that it's never gonna snow again. NASA has the data, and there has been a long-rising trend in global mean temperature. even if you didn't want to bother looking it up, you can just check the hundreds of news articles about arctic melting.
so we know it's happening but we're not all 100% agreed that we caused it. again i say: why take a chance? if you find a particular piece of legislation to be grossly presumptuous and unsustainable, that's a whole other matter.
also, the term 'global warming' had to be changed to "climate change" because people wouldn't cease with the "snow flurry in texas = global warming debunked" trope.
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170403-miamis-fight-against-sea-level-rise
I'm sure it'll be fine....
Originally posted by jaden101
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170403-miamis-fight-against-sea-level-riseI'm sure it'll be fine....
TBF, the very rich living at the top floors of the expensive condones have nothing to fear from rising sea levels.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
thats kinda like mocking the weatherman because we got 2 inches of snow instead of 12, and then concluding that it's never gonna snow again. NASA has the data, and there has been a long-rising trend in global mean temperature. even if you didn't want to bother looking it up, you can just check the hundreds of news articles about arctic melting.so we know it's happening but we're not all 100% agreed that we caused it. again i say: why take a chance? if you find a particular piece of legislation to be grossly presumptuous and unsustainable, that's a whole other matter.
also, the term 'global warming' had to be changed to "climate change" because people wouldn't cease with the "snow flurry in texas = global warming debunked" trope.
Originally posted by SurturSo I take it you don't believe in climate change?
Rob, just stop. You do not want an actual discussion on this lol. None of you do and I can tell just by the circle jerk that immediately started. Nobody wanted to engage, they just wanted to leave snotty remarks.Which is fine, the board is near dead, but lets not deny it.
Originally posted by darthgooberBut in the 1960s!
I'm actually skeptical about the implications and severity of the threat because the hard core pushers of the idea keep getting the effects wrong. The world didn't start towards an ice age in the late 80s like they suggested in the 70s. The world didn't become unbearably hotter with new deserts forming by 2000 like they suggested in the late 80s once they realized they were wrong about global cooling. Despite all the talk about the ice caps disappearing for decades, in 2013 the southern ice cap was bigger than had ever been recorded according to NASA satellite reports. In 2009 Al Gore that the north ice cap would be completely melted within 7 years... and it's not.I'm not saying that there's nothing happening, but the fact of the matter is that people obviously don't know enough about how the whole system works together to scare me in regards to their predicted consequences. At this point they seem a lot like those preachers who keep predicting the rapture on a specific day so everyone in his churge gears up and waits for it... and then when it doesn't happen the preacher makes another prediction and everyone does it again and the cycle just goes on and on. I believe in God but there's no way I'm going to sell all my stuff and go out in field and wait for him.
I feel like people don't grasp the concept that science progresses over time, or that Al Gore isn't a scientist, or that recent climate models have been correct year on year. 😐
Fyi: The ice caps are are still dissappearing, despite gains in Antartica.
Originally posted by darthgooberThe actual effects are certainly the hardest thing to pin point in advance, but that's never been a particularly compelling argument to me. I've heard some people say maybe things will be better with global warming... frankly that's not the sort of thing I'd gamble on, given the choice.
I'm actually skeptical about the implications and severity of the threat because the hard core pushers of the idea keep getting the effects wrong. The world didn't start towards an ice age in the late 80s like they suggested in the 70s. The world didn't become unbearably hotter with new deserts forming by 2000 like they suggested in the late 80s once they realized they were wrong about global cooling. Despite all the talk about the ice caps disappearing for decades, in 2013 the southern ice cap was bigger than had ever been recorded according to NASA satellite reports. In 2009 Al Gore that the north ice cap would be completely melted within 7 years... and it's not.I'm not saying that there's nothing happening, but the fact of the matter is that people obviously don't know enough about how the whole system works together to scare me in regards to their predicted consequences. At this point they seem a lot like those preachers who keep predicting the rapture on a specific day so everyone in his churge gears up and waits for it... and then when it doesn't happen the preacher makes another prediction and everyone does it again and the cycle just goes on and on. I believe in God but there's no way I'm going to sell all my stuff and go out in field and wait for him.
And there is more than one reason for us to make the transition from fossil fuels to renewable energies... so I really am pretty disappointed at our general failure to tackle this problem to the extent that I believe we can.
Where I think there is a reasonable debate is what approach do we take to making this transition. I generally have little faith in the conservationist methods of basically penalizing companies for carbon emissions. This forces a trade off between economy and environment, which is often necessary, but in a sort of catastrophic scenario like this I don't see that approach realistically reversing the general trend of climate change before irreparable damage is done.
Thus, I think the only solution is an investment in the kind of technology that will eventually produce a real viable alternative to the current oil and gas based infrastructure. I think about things like the Atom bomb... or going to the moon... it seems like when we face an existential threat in the form of a foreign boogeyman, we have the capacity to pour a bunch of money into the necessary science and render a result in a relatively timely manner. I don't feel this is being done with climate change/renewable energy. And I can't think of a more worthy candidate for such a campaign. But unfortunately abstract ecological threats don't seem to resonate and put the fire under people's asses as well as scary looking Nazi's/Commies marching in formation.
Climate conditions will continue to change over time - humans in the picture or not.
The best we can do is to learn to adapt. However, if somebody thinks that we can stop global warming or this phenomenon is under our control - he has bought into leftist propaganda.
This story is just like that of ozone hole - a phenomenon that [is] completely natural but two scientists claimed otherwise and got Pulitzer price for it.
Originally posted by Flyattractor
Do I believe in Cllimate Change? Yes.Do I belive in the Leftist Progressive Lie Machine that over hypes and tries to churn up the Fear about this nonburger to push their Fascist Agenda.
OH HELL YES!