Re: Who here is stronger than superman
Pre DCnu All
Omac - no
Ultraman - no
Despero - yes under normal portrayal, no under all out
Wm thor - no
Kurse - no
Eradicator - no
Doomsday - yes under normal portrayal, no under all out
Superboy prime - yes under normal portrayal, maybe under all out
WWH - no
King Hyperion (Original) - no
Etrigan - no
Destroyer (Animated) - yes under normal portrayal, no under all out
There's no difference in normal superman or an all out superman. It's sad that people think that superman is the only character that starts to lose in the beginning and then win in the end. Superman is a high Herald whether he's sleeping or going all out. Every writer agrees with this. Superman can only get stronger with a sun amp. That's why he sundipps. If going all out gave him even a half strength boost, then it would be noted in writing. As in, the madder hulk gets, the stronger hulk gets or the more confident gladiator is the stronger and more powerful he becomes. Supermans strength had Been measured plenty of times by scientists. No where in any superman bios will you see dynamic strength. Hulk, yes... Gladiator, yes. Superman.. no.
Originally posted by JBL
There's no difference in normal superman or an all out superman. It's sad that people think that superman is the only character that starts to lose in the beginning and then win in the end. Superman is a high Herald whether he's sleeping or going all out. Every writer agrees with this. Superman can only get stronger with a sun amp. That's why he sundipps. If going all out gave him even a half strength boost, then it would be noted in writing. As in, the madder hulk gets, the stronger hulk gets or the more confident gladiator is the stronger and more powerful he becomes. Supermans strength had Been measured plenty of times by scientists. No where in any superman bios will you see dynamic strength. Hulk, yes... Gladiator, yes. Superman.. no.
No.
Look, his power is a dynamic as it gets. Its just not as visual as say Hulk. His cap is fluent and there is a definitive difference between a holding back (any) hero and one going for broke
Originally posted by Philosophía
Pre DCnu AllOmac - no
Ultraman - no
Despero - yes under normal portrayal, no under all out
Wm thor - no
Kurse - no
Eradicator - no
Doomsday - yes under normal portrayal, no under all out
Superboy prime - yes under normal portrayal, maybe under all out
WWH - no
King Hyperion (Original) - no
Etrigan - no
Destroyer (Animated) - yes under normal portrayal, no under all out
Originally posted by Sin I AMIf superman had dynamic strength, it would be as clear as day. That OWAW crap is what started this mess. An all out superman does not get any stronger. He has went all out against BA, CM an plenty others. When a character is said to be too even in strength with CM in narration, by the character himself, by writers and in writing, it proof positive. Dynamic strength is not all of a sudden going from losing to beating someone or something. If that was the case, then Spiderman dropped his mental blocks and went from meta to trans when he beat firelord. But you don't see his fans making such an absurd claim.
No.Look, his power is a dynamic as it gets. Its just not as visual as say Hulk. His cap is fluent and there is a definitive difference between a holding back (any) hero and one going for broke
Originally posted by Sin I AMhis argument would hold more validity if he hadnt made such a practice of wiping away any statement, narration, comment or panel, involving Thor, Asgard, Odin, etc, any time there are descriptions supporting the pinacle levels of power they reach.
Its debateable. Thor has multiple showing of entering Warrior Madness that contradict that statement. Even some recently in Unworthy Thor.. so his argument is valid
Originally posted by JBL
If superman had dynamic strength, it would be as clear as day. That OWAW crap is what started this mess. An all out superman does not get any stronger. He has went all out against BA, CM an plenty others. When a character is said to be too even in strength with CM in narration, by the character himself, by writers and in writing, it proof positive. Dynamic strength is not all of a sudden going from losing to beating someone or something. If that was the case, then Spiderman dropped his mental blocks and went from meta to trans when he beat firelord. But you don't see his fans making such an absurd claim.
No one who is literate has this problem with basic reading comprehension.
Yes his strength has increased in power levels and its not up for honest debate.
Originally posted by JBL
If superman had dynamic strength, it would be as clear as day. That OWAW crap is what started this mess. An all out superman does not get any stronger. He has went all out against BA, CM an plenty others. When a character is said to be too even in strength with CM in narration, by the character himself, by writers and in writing, it proof positive. Dynamic strength is not all of a sudden going from losing to beating someone or something. If that was the case, then Spiderman dropped his mental blocks and went from meta to trans when he beat firelord. But you don't see his fans making such an absurd claim.
Firelord is pis tho. People need to negate is all together
Ok take Nu 52 supes for example. He went from only being able exceed previous limits by "willing" it.
There are other examples but u get the point. He doesnt have a no limits fallacy. But he does possess the ability to ramp up as needed
Originally posted by Horrificus
his argument would hold more validity if he hadnt made such a practice of wiping away any statement, narration, comment or panel, involving Thor, Asgard, Odin, etc, any time there are descriptions supporting the pinacle levels of power they reach.
Some statements he makes a skewed but when he calls a spade a spade and thats what it is then i dont see a problem
Originally posted by abhilegend
Ah, but he is not shown beaten.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes. Couldn't kill him but defeated him IIRC. Hulk later killed him after he evolved and became more powerful.
Had nothing to do with not being able to kill it. He thought it had perished under the rubble he left it in.
Hulk killed it in the present, but we don't actually know if it was more powerful.
Also...
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
.. It couldn't move, and wanted to die.
I left out this wm because the canonicity is suspect. There was a foreword by Clark Gregg stating that the core group of Avengers in the book were based off of the guys from the Marvel cinematic universe. Was kinda confusing.
Anyways if u disagree, I'll agree because u are my buddy.
Originally posted by JBL
If superman had dynamic strength, it would be as clear as day. That OWAW crap is what started this mess. An all out superman does not get any stronger. He has went all out against BA, CM an plenty others. When a character is said to be too even in strength with CM in narration, by the character himself, by writers and in writing, it proof positive. Dynamic strength is not all of a sudden going from losing to beating someone or something. If that was the case, then Spiderman dropped his mental blocks and went from meta to trans when he beat firelord. But you don't see his fans making such an absurd claim.
Have you actually READ a Superman comic in the past 20 yrs?
It has been DEFINITIVELY shown that his powers are connected to his mindset. Superman has nearly DIED because he THOUGHT he was human and had no powers.
Originally posted by panthergodIf superman had dynamic strength, then why have writers increased and decreased his strength over a period of 50 some years? If a character has dynamic strength, then it would be pointless to even suggest it. Hulk strength comes from his mindset, can his strength be decreased??????? NO, he has dynamic strength. But drop the subject for now. Agree to disagree.
You are lying.No one who is literate has this problem with basic reading comprehension.
Yes his strength has increased in power levels and its not up for honest debate.
Originally posted by JBL
If superman had dynamic strength, then why have writers increased and decreased his strength over a period of 50 some years? If a character has dynamic strength, then it would be pointless to even suggest it. Hulk strength comes from his mindset, can his strength be decreased??????? NO, he has dynamic strength. But drop the subject for now. Agree to disagree.
I'm going to sound mean here, and I recognise that, but I feel like what I say, needs to be said...
Ask your writer friends about the basic structure of storytelling, and how the example you just used has absolutely no relevance to whether Superman has dynamic strength or not.
Originally posted by -Pr-They have been ask several times and ALL said that superman does not have dynamic strength where he can increase his strength by will ot dropping mental blocks. But don't worrying about it. That day will come when I convince one or more of them to let me post their names and statement. Be here with the same attitude when it comes. Have a nice day.
I'm going to sound mean here, and I recognise that, but I feel like what I say, needs to be said...Ask your writer friends about the basic structure of storytelling, and how the example you just used has absolutely no relevance to whether Superman has dynamic strength or not.
Originally posted by JBL
They have been ask several times and ALL said that superman does not have dynamic strength where he can increase his strength by will ot dropping mental blocks. But don't worrying about it. That day will come when I convince one or more of them to let me post their names and statement. Be here with the same attitude when it comes. Have a nice day.
lol, Okay. I like how a couple of random writers can override editorial mandate and actual published, past comics. Seriously, I do.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Abhi is more or less probably referring to the fluent nature of the term warrior madness and its depiction from different writers.
Abhi is right on this but all terms and definition have some fluidity to them.
I believe Warrior Madness was supposed to be a state where he actually does become ten times as strong, but it's meaning has since been diluted to the point where it simply means "lost in the heat of battle" or some shit.
Like in his fight with maestro-huk, where he's spposedly in WM but completely level-headed 2 seconds after being BFR'd.