Dypso vs Android 17

Originally posted by carver9
Listen to me when I say this. Skill does NOT have anything to do with combat if someone is trillions of times faster than you. The ONLY way you can over come that is by being (here's the important part) just as fast. Hit was able to counter him because he is just as fast. Goku was able to counter him in his Blue form because he was just as fast. You saying skill played a part is ludicrous.

As for the fight, I'm undecided.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
I don't buy the notion that Dypso is trillions of times faster than anybody on DBS, much less 17. And I'm pretty clueless on why you want ignore both Goku and Hit's own statements on how they beat Dypso. And I certainly don't know why you want to ignore 17 being an SSB caliber opponent, which we see is enough to make Dypso sh-t his pants.

That was a metaphor...trillions of times.

Hit was blitzing Dypso during the end of the fight. Hit was dodging his attacks. This means that Hit was just as fast. I don't care how much skill I have... i can not hit someone that goes the speed of sound.

You can absolutely hit someone running at you at the speed of sound if you time it correctly.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
You can absolutely hit someone running at you at the speed of sound if you time it correctly.

I should not be able too if it's in a combat situation. Also, Goku didn't say Dypso combat speed was only Linear, he said it's too Linear. I took it as he does not port around like DBZ fighters does when they use their speed. He was moving around against Hit but nowhere close to the way Goku or the other Z fighters does.

Because he can't. Dyspo can only move in short bursts, and can't see what he's doing.

Originally posted by cdtm
Because he can't. Dyspo can only move in short bursts, and can't see what he's doing.

So how did he punch Hit and Goku in the face multiples of times?

The same way Captain Kuro hit Luffy in One Piece.

Originally posted by cdtm
The same way Captain Kuro hit Luffy in One Piece.

Lol...if you're able to react at that speed the you can obviously see at those speed as well or he would have ringed out. The speed of light is 186000 miles per second...him not being able to not see what he is doing would ring him out as soon as be burst forward. We are talking about a guy that goes far faster than light.

Because light speedsters go off the planet every time they step forward? 😆

The narrative couldn't be more obvious about it. He's linear because he can't see where he's going, and needs audio cues to know when to strike Hit (Since if he leapt forward into a time skip, he'd be ****ed..)

Originally posted by cdtm
Because light speedsters go off the planet every time they step forward? 😆

The narrative couldn't be more obvious about it. He's linear because he can't see where he's going, and needs audio cues to know when to strike Hit (Since if he leapt forward into a time skip, he'd be ****ed..)

Yeah, you're making crap up. We are done.

No, I read the manga and follow context, instead of making up fan fiction in my head like "some" people (Or person)

Originally posted by cdtm
No, I read the manga and follow context, instead of making up fan fiction in my head like "some" people (Or person)

Lol...he can't see what he is doing while going light speed. People try to discredit showings but this right here is hilarious.

And he needs to listen for audio cues because..

Flash and Zoom was fighting so fast that Superman was a statue.

Now look at Zoom and Flash. Their entire fight was linear and Superman was still a statue. I wonder why he didn't just fly down there and assist Flash? He fights better than both Flash and Zoom combined due to his training with Bruce. Since linear speed can be predicted, he should have been able to just sweep down there and help Flash out instead of being a statue during their entire battle. I wonder why this happened? Hhhhhhmmmm (common sense).

Unlike anyone else so far it's not his normal speed. He boosts his normal speed "a thousandfold" when he attacks, doesn't mean his senses get better.

Originally posted by cdtm
And he needs to listen for audio cues because..

He listened to Hit because Hit uses techniques. He listened for muscle movements so that he know when to attack. Nothing more nothing less.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Unlike anyone else so far it's not his normal speed. He boosts his normal speed "a thousandfold" when he attacks, doesn't mean his senses get better.

How fast is his normal speed?

Dyspo wins. SSB is far beyond 17 no matter their fight (both holding back... forget that excuse... SSB>>>17 and 17 is not on that caliber, Frieza is that caliber, not 17... it's easy when Goku is you opponent... imagine him going against Frieza... 17 gets destroyed in an instant). When Goku saw Dyspo and returned the punch, even Whis said that he turned in SSB and maximized his power and speed. 17 is far below that maximum of SSB.

Dyspo with ease.

Originally posted by carver9
He listened to Hit because Hit uses techniques. He listened for muscle movements so that he know when to attack. Nothing more nothing less.

If he's so much faster then Goku or Hit all the time, he wouldn't need audio cues.

Originally posted by cdtm
If he's so much faster then Goku or Hit all the time, he wouldn't need audio cues.

I don't think he's faster than any of them and he use audio waves because it helps him know when to strike. Your argument doesn't even make sense because if it did, he wouldn't have been able to land clean punches. Think about it. Flash in the scan above absorbed the speed of everyone on the planet and he was still able to keep pace with Zoom and land solid blows. Flash adjusted to the speed. The fight above is the fastest he s ever went and he was able to adjust to it just fine. What I am trying to say is your argument is dumb.