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Fair enough, but that doesn't really change Traya's statement that Nihilus has no control over his power.
'His power' is basically Traya's way of describing his hunger, since the former grows alongside the latter. Same goes for Visas, IIRC.
Dude's a mindless slave
Not a 'mindless' slave by any means, but he is a slave nonetheless to his hunger. Though I don't see how that could in any way be a detriment to his combative performance when facing literally anyone other than Surik, lol.
I mean sure, but she literally claims Revan to be the personification of power, like staring into the heart of the force (not to be taken literally, obviously, but the point is there).
She describes Nihilus in much the same way, and I daresay speaks more highly of his power than she does Revan's (growing so powerful he only sees planets/stars, being capable of ending the
galaxy given time, etc.) Also, the 'heart of the Force' comparison doesn't really work because, as Sel said, the two are portrayed in very different lights: one, Nihilus is seen as the death of the Force; while Revan, the other, is seen as the heart.
And we're still ignoring the fact that this is all her opinion on the hierarchy of characters light-years out of her league in terms of power, so I don't know why you're using this to justify Nihilus being below Vader.
The point is that based on the nature of KOTOR 2 and how Nihilus is implied to stack up with other powerhouses, his feats can't really be the only way we measure his strength.
Again, never once is there any implication in KotOR II of Nihilus being below Revan, other then Kreia saying that Revan was the best of her students - an inherently flawed comparison in and of itself.
Lol. Competing with Surik and co. in a contest where we have absolutely no indication to what extent he used sabers or force abilities,
Yes we do. It's heavily implied by Surik and confirmed by other sources that Nihilus' Force abilities were exhausted by the time he fought Surik (due to the failed Drain and him holding the
Ravager together.) Hell, if you look at the actual fight itself, the only Force powers he actually used in the fight with Surik were Dark Heal and Force Push - one being used repeatedly to keep himself alive in the second half of the fight (when Visas was ****ing with his mind) and the other only being used once, in the middle of the fight.
For the entirety of the first half and most of the second half, he was purely relying on his lightsaber to defend himself.
isn't something outside the realm of RODV Vader.
You'd have a point here if he was at full strength when he was doing it. The guy was literally being 'consumed' by his own hunger, was holding together his ship and being mind****ed by Visas, yet all the while managed to give the trio an excellent fight in a (mostly) lightsaber contest. If this is what he was doing while in a state similar to the one Plagueis was in when fighting the Maladians, he's logically going to be able to perform a lot better at full strength.
Anyway, point is, he isn't nearly as weak a duelist as most make him out to be on these boards.
No, he doesn't. Dude literally has 2 force abilities.
Which he can easily oneshot Vader with yeah. Though, as we saw in his fight with Sion, if he's going for the oneshot then it's going to display his entire arsenal of Force powers, the main three being Drain, TK and Lightning, of course.
I highly doubt Vader'd survive such an attack.