Originally posted by FrothByteI don't know if it was "the drop" though. Loki was looking right at him. If he still got taken the way he did, it's on him. It's a stupid scene they put in for humor, and it undercuts the hell out of Loki's character. One of the most clever individuals in the known universe is that stupid?
Except Loki never even tried to fight Hulk. It's easy to knock out your opponent when you get the drop on them.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
I don't know if it was "the drop" though. Loki was looking right at him. If he still got taken the way he did, it's on him. It's a stupid scene they put in for humor, and it undercuts the hell out of Loki's character. One of the most clever individuals in the known universe is that stupid?
He was in the middle of a sentence. Yes, it's Loki's fault for not paying attention but the fact remains that Hulk never fought a Loki that was actually trying to fight back.
Originally posted by h1a8
If Hulk fought Lizard it would be nowhere lopsided as Hulk vs Loki.
Hulk is probably between 2-4 times stronger than Lizard.
What do you feel Lizard actually did to merit you saying this?
Originally posted by h1a8
Stop focusing on details and rather what the writer is trying to portray. It's clear that the writer is trying to show Hulk>>>>>>Loki.
So don't focus on what actually happened...focus on what you *think* the writer was trying to say? Yeah no lol. But why would you think the writer was trying to portray Lizard as being nearly as powerful as Hulk? Lizard also wasn't like...vastly beyond Spider-Man when it came to physical stats so is that version of Spidey near Hulk as well?
IMO Raimi Spider-Man is even stronger, so is he near Hulk level too?
Originally posted by Silent Master
Prove it.
Originally posted by Surtur
What do you feel Lizard actually did to merit you saying this?So don't focus on what actually happened...focus on what you *think* the writer was trying to say? Yeah no lol. But why would you think the writer was trying to portray Lizard as being nearly as powerful as Hulk? Lizard also wasn't like...vastly beyond Spider-Man when it came to physical stats so is that version of Spidey near Hulk as well?
IMO Raimi Spider-Man is even stronger, so is he near Hulk level too?
ASM was very very strong. High in the multiton range at his strongest. He casually (without any effort) broke shit that take at least a ton to break. I didn't say Lizard was nearly as strong as Hulk. I said Hulk was at most 4 times as strong. For example, if Lizard can lift 50 tons at maximum, then Hulk can lift 200 tons at maximum. Hulk is a low class hundred being. He can actually lift about 200 tons maximum but only 75-100 tons on average. Lizard can lift about 20-30 tons on average and 50 tons maximum.
Writer's artistic license is above our opinions. He had Hulk ragdoll Loki as if Loki was an insect (far beneath him). Writer's don't calculate the physics of shit. Otherwise, we would never get any contradictions in fiction. Hulk >>>> Loki is supported in the Loki vs. Cap fight. Loki hit Cap and it didn't knock Cap out. Loki is not doing much to Lizard at all. And if he does anything, then Lizards heals up and Loki obtains no progress. No progress = no win.
Originally posted by Sable
You said it you fool
How does "not far off" have the same meaning as "equal" ?
You are the fool for thinking they mean the same thing. Especially, AFTER I clarified with the 2-4 times stronger post.
You just love to troll.
Originally posted by h1a8
ASM was very very strong. High in the multiton range at his strongest. He casually (without any effort) broke shit that take at least a ton to break. I didn't say Lizard was nearly as strong as Hulk. I said Hulk was at most 4 times as strong. For example, if Lizard can lift 50 tons at maximum, then Hulk can lift 200 tons at maximum. Hulk is a low class hundred being. He can actually lift about 200 tons maximum but only 75-100 tons on average. Lizard can lift about 20-30 tons on average and 50 tons maximum.Writer's artistic license is above our opinions. He had Hulk ragdoll Loki as if Loki was an insect (far beneath him). Writer's don't calculate the physics of shit. Otherwise, we would never get any contradictions in fiction. Hulk >>>> Loki is supported in the Loki vs. Cap fight. Loki hit Cap and it didn't knock Cap out. Loki is not doing much to Lizard at all. And if he does anything, then Lizards heals up and Loki obtains no progress. No progress = no win.
Are you going to prove your claim?
Originally posted by h1a8
But I later clarified that it meant that Hulk is at most 4 times stronger. Did you read the following post?How does "not far off" have the same meaning as "equal" ?
You are the fool for thinking they mean the same thing. Especially, AFTER I clarified with the 2-4 times stronger post.You just love to troll.
You troll all the time
Originally posted by h1a8Citation needed.
Hulk is a low class hundred being. He can actually lift about 200 tons maximum but only 75-100 tons on average.
Originally posted by h1a8Citation needed
Lizard can lift about 20-30 tons on average and 50 tons maximum.
Originally posted by h1a8Citation needed
I didn't say Lizard was nearly as strong as Hulk. I said Hulk was at most 4 times as strong.
Originally posted by Nevan
Citation needed.
Citation neededCitation needed
The proof is the damage each cause, how far away they hit beings, etc.
Hulk is no more than a 200 tonner. If anyone disagrees then just find a feat where it contradicts that.
Note: Hulk having no more than 200 tons of strength does not mean he has 200 tons of strength. He most likely has much lower strength. 200 tons is a lower upper bound.
Originally posted by Silent MasterComedy is irrelevant to him wanting to show Hulk>>>>>Loki.
No, the writer was clearly thinking comedy, not battleboard feats.
Originally posted by h1a8Then post the scenes and your analysis of them, take into account that if you make an unfounded assumption, your calc is invalid.
The proof is the damage each cause, how far away they hit beings, etc.
Originally posted by h1a8No, this is your claim, either back it up or retract it.
The proof is the damage each cause, how far away they hit beings, etc.
Hulk is no more than a 200 tonner. If anyone disagrees then just find a feat where it contradicts that.Note: Hulk having no more than 200 tons of strength does not mean he has 200 tons of strength. He most likely has much lower strength. 200 tons is a lower upper bound.
Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk is a low class hundred being. He can actually lift about 200 tons maximum but only 75-100 tons on average.
Originally posted by h1a8
ASM was very very strong. High in the multiton range at his strongest. He casually (without any effort) broke shit that take at least a ton to break. I didn't say Lizard was nearly as strong as Hulk. I said Hulk was at most 4 times as strong. For example, if Lizard can lift 50 tons at maximum, then Hulk can lift 200 tons at maximum. Hulk is a low class hundred being. He can actually lift about 200 tons maximum but only 75-100 tons on average. Lizard can lift about 20-30 tons on average and 50 tons maximum.
Lol, where are you getting these figures? Hulk one shotted something that had to weigh thousands of tons. I know that is not lifting, but where are you getting this 200 ton lifting figure from? Other than Thor's hammer I don't even know of anything Hulk failed to lift.
Writer's artistic license is above our opinions.
Not in a debate based on feats.
He had Hulk ragdoll Loki as if Loki was an insect (far beneath him). Writer's don't calculate the physics of shit. Otherwise, we would never get any contradictions in fiction. Hulk >>>> Loki is supported in the Loki vs. Cap fight. Loki hit Cap and it didn't knock Cap out. Loki is not doing much to Lizard at all. And if he does anything, then Lizards heals up and Loki obtains no progress. No progress = no win.
Oranges eat eels, so that is why bananas taste like rainbows. That sentence makes about as much sense as what you just typed.
Why do you keep bringing up the fight with Cap and Loki when Loki wanted to be captured? His goal was not to kill or KO Cap. Are you going to ignore that?
Originally posted by h1a8
Stop focusing on details and rather what the writer is trying to portray. It's clear that the writer is trying to show Hulk>>>>>>Loki.
Writer clearly intended to show that Hulk can easily ragdoll Loki if he's not paying attention. If you want to add any additional theories then you'll have to provide proof.