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Originally posted by Kurk
Thor already corrected you here.
He corrected me on a misremembering of evidence that still leaves us with your and thor's claim as unsubstantiated. Regardless you can ignore that baldelock if you like, it isn't remotely essential to my argument.
Originally posted by Kurk
That entire fight was a sustained bout of strength by Dooku; Anakin never over-powered him once there.
No, it wasn't a bout of strength, it was a bout of skill. Since Dooku is more skilled than Anakin at that point, he was able to repeatedly use superior skill to clown him.
Originally posted by Kurk
It's not an anomaly nor is it consistent in that case. Fights are independent of each other. What happens in one does not determine what will happen in another. Repetition is the only real way to definitively place a combatant above another
Sorry Kurk, but we base conclusions of the evidence we receive, not of the evidence you think we
should receive. And Kurk, if your stance here is we don't have enough information, then why are you trying to draw a conclusion? If your stance is you don't know, then you shouldn't be arguing anything here.
Originally posted by Kurk
, and being that this is their only fight, using Ahsoka's one or two instances where she overpowers Maul as an indication of superior strength would be the equivalent of saying Dooku is stronger than Anakin using only the one fight from earlier.
A false equivalency. Not only has Dooku never been able to overpower Anakinin the manner Ahsoka overpowered Maul, but unlike with maul and Ahsoka, we have multiple examples of Anakin directly overpowering Dooku in sustained bouts of strength.
Originally posted by Kurk
To be fair, we can't assume Dooku is more physically capable than his younger self because that quote is legends. Physical augmentation in as it relates to age is pretty untouched in canon from what I can tell.
If you want to keep this exclusive to canon, fair enough. However we can simply refer to Rebels Maul growing as a duelist despite his natural physical degradement.
Originally posted by Kurk
You want one? Maul needing a cane during this era.
Yes, when he wasn't fighting and was not making use of the superior force augmentation his greater power would grant him. 😬
Originally posted by Kurk
If we want to dwell into legends, Stover's ROTS novel states how astonished Sidious was when he tried to run without the aid of the force. Obviously this is not a handicap when fighting Yoda because he too shares the same problem, canceling out any sort of disadvantage.
Why is what Sidious can do without the force relevant to his combative abilities with the force? 😕
Originally posted by Kurk
Now when you compare Maul and Tano, two force users who are on a similar tier (we can agree on at least), the latter who does not have any physical decrepitudes, it would be reasonable to assume that Maul has to channel significantly more of his energy into simply sustaining his degrading body during combat than Ahsoka.
Which would make Ahsoka being stronger than Rebels Maul logical. Now why is this relevant to SOD Maul who isn't as powerful as either? 😬
Originally posted by Kurk
It's not a residual amount of energy being used either, because even someone as powerful as RotJ Sidious couldn't passively sustain himself in-definitively as shown by the use of a cane throughout the films (the one exception being when fighting Luke).
You act as if ROTS Sidious could fight forever. No force user has infinite stamina, however a more powerful force user has bigger force reserves to draw on and hence will be able to fight longer.
Originally posted by Kurk
I'm too stupid to understand your point. Malanchor isn't a nexus in canon, so it's not aiding him.
Says who? I have an authorial statement from Henry Gilroy implying otherwise
Originally posted by Kurk
That assumption here is that Maul and Ahsoka on on relatively similar force tiers
Not SOD Maul who's feats are outclassed by an inferior version of Vader to the one who both Maul and Ahsoka share a degree of near parity to.
Originally posted by Kurk
when it comes to their overall powers, reserves, strength, speed, etc. While I cannot speculate how long it would take for someone like Sidious to expend their reserves on augmentation, we can speculate that Rebels Maul is using more of his energy on augmentation than a physically fit Ahsoka who isn't suffering from the corrupting nature of the dark-side.
Now explain why this means SOD Maul, who doesn't have the force reserves Rebels Maul has would be able to do better? In fact, given that Ahsoka and SOD Maul are of similar age, I'd think Ahsoka being a force user who Vader wouldn't bother to directly tk until she had her defenses down, on a nexus, would be able to do just fine against Maul considering her greater power.
Originally posted by Kurk
It shows how quickly Ahsoka tired from the fight. She's not on Vader's tier so who's tier is she on?
Tiring after more than a minuite of fighting isn't quickly tiring bro. And I'm not seeing why she isn't on Vader's tier when she can contend with him in unfavorable circumstances for more than minute before the fight is prematurely ended. On the other hand, given LOTS Vader's feats sh!t on SOD Maul's, I wonder why you think Maul would be doing as ell as Ahsoka did.
Originally posted by Kurk
You know very-well that one of those was a clear-cut blade-lock when Tano pushed back even from a disadvantaged spot.
Brief bladelocks aren't solid indications of strength, a sustained bout, where both opponents are trying to physically overpower the other, are.
Originally posted by Kurk
So we agree that both Maul and Ahsoka aren't as strong as Vader. So neither is going to be over-powering the other consistently, right?
That both are sub-Vader doesn't make the two equal. Ahsoka has physically overpowered a more powerful version of Maul and can be assumed to wield considerably more power than SOD Maul given her closeness with a considerably more powerful force user in Vader.
What's the argument for Maul here again?