Originally posted by Emperordmb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYUDkqyIHm0&list=PL82838WY3mTlJws0sfGLCr7Snrb2qLWGT
It almost feels like you're judging people for sacrificing 10 yr. old girls in black magic rituals.
Jeez, travel the world bro. Open your eyes.
No I'm jk, these things are awful and abhorrent.
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Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'm not even defending Trump's immigration policies, and I've criticized them before, but people wanting to chalk them up to race motivated intent is completely baseless.
I'm like 99.9% fcking with you, Emp.
But also, pretending like Trump's proposed immigration policies have absolutely nothing to do with bigotry is flawed. From his rhetoric it's clear he looks down on certain groups of people, in some degree.
Originally posted by Robtard
We already have physical barriers "securing" the Southern border. Turning a fence into a wall that is not manned/watched around the clock will accomplish nothing, they'll simple go through it, under or around as they have been.Also of note, why isn't Trump worried about our more expansive Northern border? Probably because there's more White people than Brown people.
Originally posted by Robtard
Nope. It's a Brown thing and you know it
So Mexico is racist against Brown people?
Originally posted by Adam_PoESo I take that to mean that in fact no, you don't have a better idea.
Some people in Africa believe that raping an infant will cure HIV. Can I tell them it definitely will not unless I can offer a cure of my own? This is the same shit argument you always trot out. "Well, do you have a better idea?" As if not having a better alternative means we have to let people rape babies.
Originally posted by BackFireHow would you deal with that? This is also another one of those things that aren't really directly related to border security. So it might be a good idea, but it's hardly an alternative to the border wall. I say this because, to me, the fact that cartels use the unsecured border as a primary way for trafficking goods and people across is more troubling to me than people overstaying their visas.
Well since people overstaying visas make up a bigger portion of the illegal immigrant population than does those who enter illegally across the bordered, dealing with that somehow would probably help more than building a wall.
As for security on the physical border goes, I think any number of things would be more efficient than just building a wall.Well, I don't actually know if that would be more efficient. The border is massive, and the first two options could actually end up being extremely costly. The last option seems remarkably similar to building a wall, only in certain locations. Either way, I thank you for at least attempting to answer the question.-Increase the number of border agents and improve their training, and maybe higher pay.
-Improve their tools and the tech used by them to help them find and flush out the various tunnels that get used to transport people/drugs across the border.
-Improving/strengthening the fencing that already exists and has been placed in strategically important places for years.
Let me also be clear, so I don't hear any more crap from Adam: I'm not saying that if you don't have a better idea then that means the wall is a good idea. I just want to understand clearly what our options are. If our options are 1.) build the wall or 2.) do nothing, then I might be more willing to give the wall a try. So yes, it is relevant what other ideas are on the table for dealing with border security. Unless you are of the mindset that we don't really have much of a problem to deal with.
Originally posted by Robtard
But also, pretending like Trump's proposed immigration policies have absolutely nothing to do with bigotry is flawed. From his rhetoric it's clear he looks down on certain groups of people, in some degree.
You could argue his stances are wrong, or that they're tied to some form of biggotry, but I don't think race has a significant impact if any on this decision making.
It's like people are willing to ignore the nuance of complexities related to different groups of people holding different cultures and cultural values, different proportions of skilled to unskilled labor and crime, and say "Nope! Must be cuz they brown and he white!"
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Are you sure it's not because of factors other than skin color? Are you sure his Muslim shit isn't due to him judging the middle east to have an inferior culture and ideology, and that his attitude towards Mexico when compared to Canada is due to the fact that Mexico is significantly less affluent with more of a problem with drugs, crime, poverty, and lower education than Canada?You could argue his stances are wrong, or that they're tied to some form of biggotry, but I don't think race has a significant impact if any on this decision making.
It's like people are willing to ignore the nuance of complexities related to different groups of people holding different cultures and cultural values, different proportions of skilled to unskilled labor and crime, and say "Nope! Must be cuz they brown and he white!"
If you followed what actually I said, it's clear I didn't say color/race was the sole reason, didn't say it was the main reason or even a prominent reason, just said that saying those factors have "absolutely nothing" to do in regards to his polices is flawed, considering his rhetoric.
Originally posted by Robtard
If you followed what actually I said, it's clear I didn't say color/race was the sole reason, didn't say it was the main reason or even a prominent reason, just said that saying those factors have "absolutely nothing" to do in regards to his polices is flawed, considering his rhetoric.
If this is an argument you're going to make, bring up the proper evidence for the claim. I'm not denying that the evidence exists if you can provide it, but the fact that he puts more emphasis on southern border security than northern is not that evidence.
Trump's bigoted comments on illegal Mexicans being rapist and murderers, his comments on how some black people are "my black people", his comments on Judge Gonzalo Curiel not being able to do his job because "he's Mexican" (he was born in America btw), his flippery on the travel ban reasons, there's more if I wanted to dumpster dive.
Considering this has come up before many a time and there's really no way you've not heard Trump's comments or at least read on them, it's the reason I didn't cite them.