Vaylin and Arcann vs Darth Vader and Galen Marek

Started by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ5 pages

She destroyed BRAIN, (which is still an incredibly impressive feat, given the circumstances,) which set off a chain reaction.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
IIRC she just wrecked a machine core, like Exal Kressh did, and that caused the entire facility to blow.

So what has she done that puts her above Vader again?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
She destroyed BRAIN, (which is still an incredibly impressive feat, given the circumstances,) which set off a chain reaction.

how big is BRAIN

Originally posted by AncientPower
That's about as likely as the Caedus RT.

Sickest burn I've ever seen on KMC lmao

Marek>Arcann.

Originally posted by BlueTiger1144
Marek>Arcann.

make a case if you would

He doesn't need to. Marek has better feats, scaling and hype if you go for that sort of thing.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
He doesn't need to. Marek has better feats, scaling and hype if you go for that sort of thing.

how are Marek's feats better? How does he have superior hype?

Marek's feats are better because they are are measurably superior when you apply basic mathematics.

Marek's hype is better because he's literally stated to be the photo negative of Luke Skywalker and what Luke would have become had he been trained by Vader for over a decade.

"The Apprentice is the photo negative of Luke Skywalker. He's been raised by Darth Vader, and is what Luke would have become if he had joined his father. Vader's not a very nice daddy. This guy has been raised to be a Jedi. When the Jedi use the Force, they respect it and don't overuse it. The bad guys - the Sith - keep testing their limits. Vader discovered this person who had the potential to be the most powerful Force user ever. He's up there with the top tier. He's extremely powerful. Vader has trained him in such a way that he just kept pushing his limitations, seeing how far he could use the Force. So, where a normal Jedi might use the Force to trick his way past a few stormtroopers, the apprentice might use the Force to bring down an adjacent building on top of those stormtroopers. He's extremely confident in everything he does. He's been trained by Vader to be an assassin, an unstoppable force." - Insider 100.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Marek's feats are better because they are are measurably superior when you apply basic mathematics.

Wanna be more specific?
Marek's hype is better because he's literally stated to be the photo negative of Luke Skywalker and what Luke would have become had he been trained by Vader for over a decade.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
"The Apprentice is the photo negative of Luke Skywalker. He's been raised by Darth Vader, and is what Luke would have become if he had joined his father. Vader's not a very nice daddy. This guy has been raised to be a Jedi. When the Jedi use the Force, they respect it and don't overuse it. The bad guys - the Sith - keep testing their limits. Vader discovered this person who had the potential to be the most powerful Force user ever. He's up there with the top tier. He's extremely powerful. Vader has trained him in such a way that he just kept pushing his limitations, seeing how far he could use the Force. So, where a normal Jedi might use the Force to trick his way past a few stormtroopers, the apprentice might use the Force to bring down an adjacent building on top of those stormtroopers. He's extremely confident in everything he does. He's been trained by Vader to be an assassin, an unstoppable force." - Insider 100.

Yea, given the game notes Marek only had potentially Sidious level potential and Luke has Sidious+ potential, I'm not taking that to literally mean he has potential on par with the dude who can call the force grandpa. 😬

More importantly, that's potential which we know Marek never came close to achieving because he didn't even get on to Sidious's level.

Wanna be more specific?

I don't need to be. Pick any of his high end feats and they trump Vaylin's. I just went over this with AP. If you believe Vaylin has a superior feat then bring it up and we can compare them.

Yea, given the game notes Marek only had potentially Sidious level potential

Can you show me the quote that states this? Because the game literally has Sidious say "You could have been my successor." When he continues on to say "my equal" he's referring to the station as Emperor of the Galactic Empire. Even if we go with your interpretation that's an author statement vs a statement from an in universe character. One of those is more relevant then the other.

More importantly, that's potential which we know Marek never came close to achieving because he didn't even get on to Sidious's level.

I'm saying that being the "photo negative of Luke Skywalker" who would have been what Luke would've become had he been trained by Vader for over a decade is better hype then Vaylin being the daughter of an entity and having her powers suppressed for most of her life.

Team 2.

You think Arcann is that bad?

There is more to fighting, especially in a team, than how great you think the combatants are or how flashy their showings are.

>flashy
>TFU characters

Kek.

Apologies for my absence, had a flood at my place so electricity has been a no go. I'll work on my reply today.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
[b]Wanna be more specific?

I don't need to be. Pick any of his high end feats and they trump Vaylin's. I just went over this with AP. If you believe Vaylin has a superior feat then bring it up and we can compare them.


-> Vaylin tearing apart multiple ships
-> Vaylin destroying BRAIN from orbit

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Can you show me the quote that states this? Because the game literally has Sidious say "You could have been my successor." When he continues on to say "my equal" he's referring to the station as Emperor of the Galactic Empire. Even if we go with your interpretation that's an author statement vs a statement from an in universe character. One of those is more relevant then the other.

The problem here is you're assuming that being what Luke would have become would mean he would have become [/QUOTE] exactly like Luke. Becoming what Luke would have become can refer to becoming an extremely powerful force user at a young age. You're baselessly assuming that means they would have become as powerful. It's much like Lucas stating that Luke would become what Anakin could have been despite Anakin having father tier potential, and Luke being stomped on by Abeloth.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
You think Arcann is that bad?
Or maybe Vader's that good? 😬

I know his opinion on Vaylin well enough that he has to believe Arcann is that bad for team 2 to win. 👆

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I know his opinion on Vaylin well enough that he has to believe Arcann is that bad for team 2 to win. 👆

He also has a really high opinion of Galen